DCZ Mage Question

[simontjeuh]

paper dd for crystal mage? :unsure:

with 3k hp, 500dmg is a lot..[/b]

Yes, why not. Or you prefer no dd at all on a crystal mage instead of paper dd? But yes crimson helmet +7 is the better choice, (152/160 int instead of 144) so your damage will be lower. Already said I forgot there were no rare 25 helmets, so I only gave an alternative. I never said that paper dd was better than crimson or something simular...

and yes 500 damage is a lot but only like 5 people on 100 hit that hard. Most of them don't even hit over 300 when you have 1K ac + ( in and ib).

@gaciuch, I have a full inn of weapon defences and I never use them, never. And diez is filled with +9 items and im pking with crystals +8/9 and a 25 dd g3 helmet and doing pretty well. ( 3.3K hp 1076 ac and 4.8K mana)

[RE5PECTmf]

Yes, why not. Or you prefer no dd at all on a crystal mage instead of paper dd? But yes crimson helmet +7 is the better choice, (152/160 int instead of 144) so your damage will be lower. Already said I forgot there were no rare 25 helmets, so I only gave an alternative. I never said that paper dd was better than crimson or something simular...

and yes 500 damage is a lot but only like 5 people on 100 hit that hard. Most of them don't even hit over 300 when you have 1K ac + ( in and ib).

@gaciuch, I have a full inn of weapon defences and I never use them, never. And diez is filled with +9 items and im pking with crystals +8/9 and a 25 dd g3 helmet and doing pretty well. ( 3.3K hp 1076 ac and 4.8K mana)[/b]

*cough* lie *cough*

U have Crystal +9 gauntlets and rest +8 according to KoK , right ?

So Lemme put this str8 , 61 + 92 + 80 + 40 + 49 + 300 ac sc + 30 from enchant + 70 ( pathos gloves and valkyrie ) + 57 for lvl + 50 for IB = 829 ... 1076 - 829 = 247 ( That's the AC u need to gain from 2 rings and 2 earrings ( cuz u sad those r ur stats with IN , which have no def ) . Name me dual rings + dual earrings that in total can give 247 def and i'll quit KO. Even with dual ROF+3 and Dual SSE+3 u gain 200 def ... so don't overpower ur mage ^^ As far as I know from ur posts , u have fr+3 / +2 , WSE+2 and idk other earring .. that would be 28 + 28 + 35 + ?? = can't be nearly 247 in any way =) Cheers .

[simontjeuh]

*cough* lie *cough*

U have Crystal +9 gauntlets and rest +8 according to KoK , right ?

So Lemme put this str8 , 61 + 92 + 80 + 40 + 49 + 300 ac sc + 30 from enchant + 70 ( pathos gloves and valkyrie ) + 57 for lvl + 50 for IB = 829 ... 1076 - 829 = 247 ( That's the AC u need to gain from 2 rings and 2 earrings ( cuz u sad those r ur stats with IN , which have no def ) . Name me dual rings + dual earrings that in total can give 247 def and i'll quit KO. Even with dual ROF+3 and Dual SSE+3 u gain 200 def ... so don't overpower ur mage ^^ As far as I know from ur posts , u have fr+3 / +2 , WSE+2 and idk other earring .. that would be 28 + 28 + 35 + ?? = can't be nearly 247 in any way =) Cheers .[/b]

Ib +0 fr +3/ fr +2 . Ac valk, pathos def gloves , ep +2/ in +0 armor enchant 300 ac scr. +9 gloves pauldron +9 (no clue why it says +7/8 on kok), rest +8 . Dual wse +2.

61+102+80+49+40 armor
28+35 rings
50 belt
50 valk
20 pathos gloves
59 lvl ( delevled to 55 atm )
56 earrings
28 necklace / or 0 when using IN
300 scroll
30 scroll
88 shield

=1076 This is the highest ac I can get. When i wear staff you have to remove 88 ac ofc, and another 30 when my dd helmet is on.

[tHeUnBeAtAbLe]

this is C WEST, i can do more damage then most mages with chaotic 8 and imirs, i wouldnt categorize that as support imo.[/b]

And yes I'm the one that played ChocolateChip for the last 2 months with choatic +8 and dual imirs and had elysium.... and as i said, get elysium +7 instead of the choatic +8...elysium is the only staff u should consider having on a lighting mage, since lighting mages are usually meant for damage and not support and therefore the elysium will give u just that...

let me just compare the staffs

choatic +8 = elysium +4

[hwschris1]

ChocolateChip is not dcz, and he has chaotic 8 as well o.O

i rly dont think chaotic 8 is that bad for ardream...personally i dont see the point in switching unless i see a good deal.

[tHeUnBeAtAbLe]

ChocolateChip is not dcz, and he has chaotic 8 as well o.O

i rly dont think chaotic 8 is that bad for ardream...personally i dont see the point in switching unless i see a good deal.[/b]

lol aren't u getting anything i'm saying.... the point is that choatic +8 that we had costed 15 gbs, while the elysium +7 on c-west costs like 7-8gb... so compare which is cheaper... and not only is the elysium cheaper by half, it also does way more damage then the choatic +8

[>AppleSauce<]

can anyone sumhow explain wat hidden stats elysium has?

how can a +7 elysium that has 121 ap hit harder than a +8 chaotic that has 122ap and more element than the ely O.o

[IIStunnerII]

They are just talking out of their ass,ofcourse chaotic is better than elysium, simple logics, not only it has more ap and element, it also has dd and hp.

[tHeUnBeAtAbLe]

can anyone sumhow explain wat hidden stats elysium has?

how can a +7 elysium that has 121 ap hit harder than a +8 chaotic that has 122ap and more element than the ely O.o[/b]

They are just talking out of their ass,ofcourse chaotic is better than elysium, simple logics, not only it has more ap and element, it also has dd and hp.[/b]

as i said, comparsion example...

choatic +8 = elysium +4

[hwschris1]

i sitll dont understand how elysium can be better..

[simontjeuh]

I have no clue about light staffs

but when i had elix rebirth +7 / hellblood +8 and scorching +8 I never used the scorching cause the damage difference was too big.
But ely +3 rebirth and higher > chaotic +8 > ely +7 imo.

[tHeUnBeAtAbLe]

I have no clue about light staffs

but when i had elix rebirth +7 / hellblood +8 and scorching +8 I never used the scorching cause the damage difference was too big.
But ely +3 rebirth and higher > chaotic +8 > ely +7 imo.[/b]

no it's not, if no one believes me, go try out a choatic +8 and see how much it hits, and then try elysium +4 and see how much it hits... it will be the same damage

and yeah for fire hellblood +8>elixir +8>scorch +8

[simontjeuh]

no it's not, if no one believes me, go try out a choatic +8 and see how much it hits, and then try elysium +4 and see how much it hits... it will be the same damage

and yeah for fire hellblood +8>elixir +8>scorch +8[/b]

I only reply out of common sense

the ely cannot hit harder if you think about it , lower ap and lower element.

[Restless]

and no defence armors...
54light/45ice[/b]

NOOBS 51 ice/49 lighting no disscusion. You've got 2xresist 2xaoe and ice comet. Sell chaotic buy ely 7 and go crimson build also make ce+1 , 160 int rest mp upgrade ur rings as much as u can with those items ull be undefeatable.

[RE5PECTmf]

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Please be kidding me . 1st of all , that is the most retarded thing I heard in a while , simply cause Ice Comet isn't worth enough to lose Light Comet ( which has been proven as having the best stunning rate from 51/54/57 lightning skills) . 2nd , whats even more stupid is that u lose thorn , which is by far the best skill for dcz mage ... yes , u can hit the wrong person in a rush , but no matter what , its best for recovering hp either in regular pk , either in vs .. About CE's +1 , I gotta agree with u , now ... about Elysium , I have +8 atm and I'm more than satisfied with it , but thing is , on newer servers , like C-W is , and with his gear .. he got only 25 dd , so he gotta improve that , he'll lose some mana and LR , but gain hp and def , with more elemental and 1ap more , which is not a lot , but enough . From my point of view , if u have dd 25 , Ely is the best by far , if not , Chaotic is more than good replacement . My 2 cents .