I had toto+9 and hs+8 before and I liked it alot the ap is about the same as a raptor+7rev with 193ap
I also tryed avedon+8 b4 but I didnt like it because of the reach.
I will say this tho
Get toto and hs if you have high hp
get avedon if you have low hp
but if I had to choose.......... just my opinion id take the toto9 and hs8
and on carnac west they are worth about the same price toto9hs8 - avedon8