Items guide

[PuppetYuber]

best item in dota is dagon and necrobook. it is suitable for every hero.

[Shellshocked]

How does eul's provide movement speed? Dagon is good on most heroes if you rely on early game in combination with some nukes.
Competative is really idfferent from pubs though, in pubs dagon is way better than in competative... In competative only hero I would get it on is NA or somth.
Not even on WD / Pugna / Chen which are the usualy heroes dagon is gotten on. Try dagon gondar btw, realy fun .

[PuppetYuber]

dagon pwns on all hero if u can get it before 18-23 minutes mark,competitively or pub, and use it effectively on every cooldown.

eul increase 20% movement speed when it is used.

[Rampage]

I choose dagon on two heroes, of course nerubian assassin and also on queen of pain if I raped my lane, little bat coming at you with three nukes

[Shellshocked]

dagon pwns on all hero if u can get it before 18-23 minutes mark,competitively or pub, and use it effectively on every cooldown.

eul increase 20% movement speed when it is used.[/b]

Wowzers, didn't even know that. :/ +20 ms I think, not +20%...
Well Dagon owns but that's momentarily, not throughout the whole game. I mean there's better items end-game, like Necro 3 for Pugna, BKB for Wd and Support on Chen.
All about the balance though, differs in different situations I guess. U guys from US btw?

Never seen Dagon QoP though, might try that out sometimes... I'd prefer some disable with qop though, as you have an overkill of nukes already.

[PuppetYuber]

I think MS is calculated based on a %, so 20% would be correct.

I play on US East

I have tried GGC, but I dont like it, ppl just leave, and the lag sucks compare to LC

[tank]

lina + dagger = ownage. u totaly forgot that.[/b]

i forgot we were still playing 48!!

How does eul's provide movement speed? Dagon is good on most heroes if you rely on early game in combination with some nukes.
Competative is really idfferent from pubs though, in pubs dagon is way better than in competative... In competative only hero I would get it on is NA or somth.
Not even on WD / Pugna / Chen which are the usualy heroes dagon is gotten on. Try dagon gondar btw, realy fun . [/b]

Never seen Dagon QoP though, might try that out sometimes... I'd prefer some disable with qop though, as you have an overkill of nukes already.[/b]

watch some < .50 competitive replays. qop dagon is almost standard

I think MS is calculated based on a %, so 20% would be correct.

I play on US East

I have tried GGC, but I dont like it, ppl just leave, and the lag sucks compare to LC[/b]

ms bonus on euls is a solid +20. there&#39;s 2 types of ms bonuses % (windwalk, yasha, etc.) and + (euls, shapeshift, dragonform, boots/bot, etc.)

[PuppetYuber]

oh I see, that sucks rofl

[Shellshocked]

Never seen Dagon QoP and played plenty of 48b competative... Not even in replays.. Maybe before that

[tank]

Never seen Dagon QoP and played plenty of 48b competative... Not even in replays.. Maybe before that[/b]

i dont rly wanna waste my time looking through replays so i looked up some vids on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k88JQZVHv9M 2:16

tinker dagon was pretty popular as well

i&#39;ll edit this if i find more

[Shellshocked]

Hmm well yeah, there&#39;s better options nowadays though... Maybe in publics, but for competative I&#39;d say Akasha contributes damage enough with her skills as it is... Haven&#39;t felt the need to buy dagon on akasha on competative games.
Oh well, it&#39;s maybe the conditions / playing style / changes in versions.
But meh, I&#39;m just not too much of a dagon fan hehe

[PuppetYuber]

many people don&#39;t use dagon to its full extend, think of it as investing for a midas.

Midas is useless if the person doesn&#39;t transmute every minute.

pointless if you buy a dagon and use it like 3-4 times in a game, it is way too costly + no other bonuses

constant gank / zap people upon every cooldown, keeps the enemy down while ur cash flow through stays the same.

great to pwn agi carry, troll / luna / tb / etc

[Shellshocked]

many people don&#39;t use dagon to its full extend, think of it as investing for a midas.

Midas is useless if the person doesn&#39;t transmute every minute.

pointless if you buy a dagon and use it like 3-4 times in a game, it is way too costly + no other bonuses

constant gank / zap people upon every cooldown, keeps the enemy down while ur cash flow through stays the same.

great to pwn agi carry, troll / luna / tb / etc[/b]

Mostly the low mana pool / mana regeneration heroes have early game makes that pretty hard. That&#39;s why I don&#39;t like dagon, it only adds up to the mana problems most heroes have early game.. especially int / casters

[lIIIIIIIIIIl]

i forgot we were still playing 48!![/b]

just because u can&#39;t tp when u get attacked doesn&#39;t mean its not an escape mechanism. just need to befriend the terrain =) besides dagger is good for catching ppl.
n usually qops now do NOT aim dagon anymore. guinsoo > dagon as a first item, n its a must.

[tank]

just because u can&#39;t tp when u get attacked doesn&#39;t mean its not an escape mechanism. just need to befriend the terrain =) besides dagger is good for catching ppl.
n usually qops now do NOT aim dagon anymore. guinsoo > dagon as a first item, n its a must.[/b]

dagger is no longer used to escape