A little advice for your life and KO

[xanarchistx]

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(Had to break the major hardass bubble on this topic)

[dah]

You can do what I did, quit KO 2 years ago, then realise real life sucks and then after 1.9 years come back to KO and then after 1 month realise KO sucks too and then have nothing That's what awesome people do.

[Cyanid]

do you guys dream about ko also when u sleep.. i know a few who does...[/b]

I am so addicted with this game damnt. This is bigger drug then Cocaine

I was dreaming about going on Attila spawn in real life damnt :lol:

[DeathInTheNight]

His point was about peoples perception. He did give away items, and he even gave away his character. You ask, if he doesn't care about items, and he doesn't care about lvl then why he plays? Thats easy, for the social interaction, thats why people play KO. Anyone plays a video game for fun and to pass the time. Some people care more than others, and its not hard to find out who does. The kid that cuses and screams and raises his blood pressure cuase his little char died. Or the kid that dies and says oh well.
Its amazing how people read so much into this post.
(Zero) Talking about a subject in a rational manner isn't the sign of a weak mind. Name calling and making up things about someone's personal character is the sign of a weak mind, and agruement. Cusing and swearing comes from someone with no, or little self control. Anyone that took a philosophy class knows that.
(Callum) I'm still wondering how stating a word and its meaning was insulting peoples intelligence. (I guess your perception is different than mine?) Kennie statement was pretty clear, sorry that you can understand Callum, stick in school and maybe someday you will understand. Your post about his post are more useless than his. But I'm sure it makes you feel good to waste your time so keep going.
There isn't anything wrong with shit talking, do it if it makes you feel better. It always makes me laugh. Their perception is they are hurting me with their words. When the only person that is affected by their negative engery is themselves. I always picture the person as the big fat guy picking his nose from South Park's WoW episode, that always brings a chuckle.[/b]

Depends on the circumstances and you think ppl who take philosophy only know that. Common sense is all you need, and in some circumstances, bad language and arguing REALLY IS NEEDED. Move with the times, these are common aspects in everyday life, its not the 1950 anymore when everything was hush hush.
Anyone who don't believe this needs to look outside and switch KO off. PPL may not like this but thats just life.
And to the ppl who disagree, then ur either living in a world of ur own, or you are one of the old school ppl who don't swear, smoke, drink, fart, basically a prude who has seen nothing of the outside world.

[Kennie]

Ever heard of "stop waiting for heaven but make where you live heaven"? If your life is full of hate and vengence then maybe you should change it.

It's not an ideal world, you can control how you live and what you do. how difficult your life is depend on what you choose to do and who to do it with. Just like this game =)

Odvidia, the whole point of this is because people are different. Some people have different reasons to play this game.

[0000000]

(Zero) Talking about a subject in a rational manner isn't the sign of a weak mind. Name calling and making up things about someone's personal character is the sign of a weak mind, and agruement. Cusing and swearing comes from someone with no, or little self control. Anyone that took a philosophy class knows that.[/b]

I never implied that discussing this subject is the sign of a weak mind. I meant that I believe that Kennie in particular seemed to be struggling to come to terms with KO and was playing it against his own wishes, which is not healthy. As for Cursing and swearing, they are just words that carry more impact. It has nothing to do with philosophy and I would doubt the credibility of anyone who says it does. Generally the opposition to profanity originates from religion rather than any philosophical standpoint. It is quite common for noted intellectuals to use swear words when the moment presents itself since the use of profanity is intrinsically linked with a belief in freedom of expression:

"If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all."

-Noam Chomsky

Self control is avoiding chocolate. Self control is meditation. Avoiding arbitrary words has nothing to do with self-control, it is rather self-censorship. So please try and find fault in an argument, rather than using certain words you dislike as an excuse to avoid the argument.

[Kennie]

I never implied that discussing this subject is the sign of a weak mind. I meant that I believe that Kennie in particular seemed to be struggling to come to terms with KO and was playing it against his own wishes, which is not healthy. As for Cursing and swearing, they are just words that carry more impact. It has nothing to do with philosophy and I would doubt the credibility of anyone who says it does. Generally the opposition to profanity originates from religion rather than any philosophical standpoint. It is quite common for noted intellectuals to use swear words when the moment presents itself since the use of profanity is intrinsically linked with a belief in freedom of expression:

"If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all."

-Noam Chomsky

Self control is avoiding chocolate. Self control is meditation. Avoiding arbitrary words has nothing to do with self-control, it is rather self-censorship. So please try and find fault in an argument, rather than using certain words you dislike as an excuse to avoid the argument.[/b]

You're one of the many that doesnt know anything about me. Therefore you should stop guessing about me. You didnt even give an explaination for what you said about me.

You misunderstood my initial post like 98% of the people here.

[Bathory]

I never implied that discussing this subject is the sign of a weak mind. I meant that I believe that Kennie in particular seemed to be struggling to come to terms with KO and was playing it against his own wishes, which is not healthy. As for Cursing and swearing, they are just words that carry more impact. It has nothing to do with philosophy and I would doubt the credibility of anyone who says it does. Generally the opposition to profanity originates from religion rather than any philosophical standpoint. It is quite common for noted intellectuals to use swear words when the moment presents itself since the use of profanity is intrinsically linked with a belief in freedom of expression:

"If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all."

-Noam Chomsky

Self control is avoiding chocolate. Self control is meditation. Avoiding arbitrary words has nothing to do with self-control, it is rather self-censorship. So please try and find fault in an argument, rather than using certain words you dislike as an excuse to avoid the argument.[/b]

You have totally misunderstood the point of his post. I can't argue with someone that isn't even on the same page as me. Sorry my critical thinking class was under the philosophy department. It is true that cusing and swearing carry more impact, but they are still the resort of a desperate mind that has a weak argument. You say them to try to hurt someone, or give more emotive impact to what you are saying, which has nothing to do with wether you are right or wrong. Again I'm not saying swearing is wrong, I just know what is behind the words. I know Kennie very well that last 4 years and he isnt struggling with KO. He was trying to help some people understand that there are more views than just their own.

[0000000]

The philosophical point you think you are making is very superficial and simplistic - "please don't say bad things to each other because it's not nice and it's only a game". Any child could make the same blanket statement.

The fact that you dislike fierce competition in a game has no bearing on whether other people should do it. In other words, one doesn't require a competitive opponent, in order to compete with them. You draw an attachment between taking the game seriously and having no sense of priorities; of needing to "wake up" to what the game really is, as you put it. This is totally bogus. Plenty of people can be competitive whilst retaining a full appreciation of what they are doing and their consequences. I took the game reasonably seriously when i played, but i could also quit overnight and never log in again because I didn't lose my sense of priorities. I never took any insults to heart and have no bitterness towards the game, it's all in the past.

Above all, I just found your topic to be patronising.

[0000000]

I can't argue[/b]

Thats all your post says to me. I don't agree that swearing is about trying to hurt someone, and I think that that is where you are going wrong. I think the underlying problem here is being overly sensitive and probably a conservative upbringing.. If you want to apply critical thinking to curse words then you can find synonyms of curse words and discover that it is not the meaning of the word which is offensive, but the word itself, which is illogical. Cunt is simply a female reproductive gland, Fuck is just sexual intercourse. Society has simply applied a taboo to certain words arbitrarily. I am living proof of this since I swear a lot yet I have a large vocabulary and have no problem debating with people. You will find that people like Christopher Hitchens, Stephen Fry and George Carlin also swear in casual conversation despite being intellectuals.

[Kennie]

Competition? what competition? Thats my whole point is about. It is all your perception. You may play for the competition but that doesnt mean the guy in your party is as well. There are many reasons to play an MMORPG game.

Remember the picture of the special olympic kid runnning? "Arguing over the internet is like running in the special olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded."

Thats all your post says to me. I don't agree that swearing is about trying to hurt someone, and I think that that is where you are going wrong. I think the underlying problem here is being overly sensitive and probably a conservative upbringing.. If you want to apply critical thinking to curse words then you can find synonyms of curse words and discover that it is not the meaning of the word which is offensive, but the word itself, which is illogical. Cunt is simply a female reproductive gland, Fuck is just sexual intercourse. Society has simply applied a taboo to certain words arbitrarily. I am living proof of this since I swear a lot yet I have a large vocabulary and have no problem debating with people. You will find that people like Christopher Hitchens, Stephen Fry and George Carlin also swear in casual conversation despite being intellectuals.[/b]

You can choose to be in that society or you can choose not to be. It is still your perception. I never said not to swear. In American society we swear all the time.

"wats up dawg?" "shut up ho" It's all your and your friends perception. Get it now?

[Bathory]

Very clever stuff, taking parts of sentences other ppl write for your argument and twisting the meaning around. You sure do stroke you ego a lot. But yeah you basicaly stated what we were trying to say. Youre so caught up in yourself and trying to be write you dont even realize you are agreeing with us. I hope if you are really as smart as you think you are you do something great with that knowledge. I'm done with wasting anymore time on you sorry :P

[0000000]

Competition? what competition? Thats my whole point is about. It is all your perception. You may play for the competition but that doesnt mean the guy in your party is as well. There are many reasons to play an MMORPG game.[/b]

I'll make this real simple for you one last time. Competition can exist even if one party is not participating. It is not a matter of perception. It doesn't matter what your view is, if X person wants to compete with you, then they are competing with you irrespective of your position. It is not my perception that X person is competing with you, it is reality. You are trying to apply trite philosophical arguments to something really quite simple.

[Kennie]

I'll make this real simple for you one last time. Competition can exist even if one party is not participating. It is not a matter of perception. It doesn't matter what your view is, if X person wants to compete with you, then they are competing with you irrespective of your position. It is not my perception that X person is competing with you, it is reality. You are trying to apply trite philosophical arguments to something really quite simple.[/b]

Yeah and only to him it will be a competition. To me? I would say who the hell is this guy. Why is he trying to talk to me. I know its not your perception, it's person X's perception that it is a competition. Your perception is what you think it is.

That's what we've been saying.

BTW, Im not gonna argue with you whats real and whats not real. That's a real touchy subject especially if someone bring in religion. I know the competition still exist but like i said, it will only exist to him.

[0000000]

Now apply that to the rest of your topic please. "Some people who might think I do care are just making the game harder for themselves and everyone else." In the context of this thread, you are insinuating that the other person having such a competition is not a good thing for the other person, which is clearly unfounded. Some people want to be in that position, they thrive on it and it is enjoyable for them, irrespective of your perspective. Your idea that your perception is absolute and that everyone should "wake up" to it is self-centered.

I do agree with parts of your topic. It is just the way you applied it, and the patronising tone.