Ranking Donations?

[Kennie]

let me differentiate between a donation and a scam

donation- it is a gift, but to a cause.

scam- munipulating people.

kazam, was using ranking as a reason. however, the money wasnt going to the cause he stated why donation money is needed. therefore this is a scam.

for example, a guy spamming e-mails to everyone telling them to help him get a leg operation while he can run as fast as a cheatah.

[Trichome]

anyone who has lost money because of this should call the police. what he has done is illegal. fraudulently collecting funds, theft by deception etc whatever you wanna call it. its a criminal offence and should be reported as one.

[3thos]

anyone who has lost money because of this should call the police. what he has done is illegal. fraudulently collecting funds, theft by deception etc whatever you wanna call it. its a criminal offence and should be reported as one.[/b]

it is only criminal if it is 500.00 USD and up.


the cops would just do an investigation but nothing would have criminally.

Someone on msn told me to post this:

Why would Ko4Life/KoRanking members belive something, from someone who used to spam gayporn 24/7?[/b]

that someone was probably Kazam.

[Trichome]

are you saying in the usa it is legal to defraud someone up to a $500 limit ?

[3thos]

are you saying in the usa it is legal to defraud someone up to a $500 limit ?[/b]

they dont consider it fraud.

i can go out, scam someone of 499.99 US Dollars and no legal actions will be done, there would be an investigation, they would tell me to return the money etc etc, but i won't do time because it is no 500.00 dollars, at 500.00 you are fucked.


beside the fact, kazam is 16, which means he is a minor, which means all in all that nothing would happen because his parents could say "he is a minor bla bla bla" and he would be out of it, but once he turns 18 then he is fucked.

[drewzki1]

they dont consider it fraud.

i can go out, scam someone of 499.99 US Dollars and no legal actions will be done, there would be an investigation, they would tell me to return the money etc etc, but i won't do time because it is no 500.00 dollars, at 500.00 you are fucked.
beside the fact, kazam is 16, which means he is a minor, which means all in all that nothing would happen because his parents could say "he is a minor bla bla bla" and he would be out of it, but once he turns 18 then he is fucked.[/b]

In Britain that would probably be handled by a small claims court, and its still illegal, its like collecting money off people on the street and saying its going to help a blind charity or something but keeping the money yourself, also it would be on record as a criminal conviction if found guilty, the legal age of responsibility (where you can be treated as an adult for crimes, though not necessarily punished as so) is 12 years old (10 in some places!).

Is America really so soft? on young crims? O.o

[3thos]

In Britain that would probably be handled by a small claims court, and its still illegal, its like collecting money off people on the street and saying its going to help a blind charity or something but keeping the money yourself, also it would be on record as a criminal conviction if found guilty, the legal age of responsibility (where you can be treated as an adult for crimes, though not necessarily punished as so) is 12 years old (10 in some places!).

Is America really so soft? on young crims? O.o[/b]

In America the age of being treated as an adult is 18.
You could take it to a small claims court here in USA, but for that small amount of money by the time you get a lawyer, take the time out to go to court and deal with everything, it just isnt worth the 499.00 or less, so people just let it go. A lawyer here in the US is free but if you win have fun paying them a good chunk of change because my friends dad is a lawyer and he makes 475,000 a year ... so god knows how much hourly wage is for them.

America is ridiculously soft on young criminals, unless its something extensive like murder,trafficing(drug smuggling, but who does that at 17 and under? lol), and battery,rape, and the sub categories that branch off of those.

[Ethernal]

ethernal if you truly are huntermark then i have just lost all respect you.
now that i think of it, how do you know my name, i have never told you it ... i think you might actually be huntermark.[/b]

you gave me your msn, and your name was matt/ethos, so i assumed =/


and there you moe e suckers go again, believing every word

[drewzki1]

You said your name in your post about killing your neighbours / police at your door ^^

[3thos]

you gave me your msn, and your name was matt/ethos, so i assumed =/
and there you moe e suckers go again, believing every word[/b]

oh yeah, now i remember that, alright then i believe you arn't huntermark ... i was just really going to pissed if you were because i hate that kid with a deep passion and he feels the same way.


i'm not sucking moes e penis ethernal, stfu, i am just simply asking a question, i didn't say "omg you are huntermark you really are", i was just simply stating my opinion towards you if you were and asking you if you were.

[moemoneyman]

Apologies for not keeping up with this topic, as I've already mentioned that my internet privelages are suspended in my room. We are actually done here. The purpose of this thread was to find out where the money went. He basically keeps avoiding the question and providing false information on how the money was used. Anyways, feel free to close this thread.

Let this be a lesson. DO NOT DELEGATE RESPONSIBILITY TO IMMATURE TWATS.

Ethernal I have HunterMark on my msn. The only way you could have me on msn is if you are HunterMark. Way to go kid, you just proved my theory.

[Holy]

Didn't bother to read the whole thing but what Kazam has done is illegal and we all know it. You can take legal actions against stuff like this. It's the same thing as if someone goes around knocking doors to collect money for the poor, when you make the donation for that you want the money to go to the poor people right? It's the same thing here, if he said he wanted donations to keep ranking up and didnt use it for that, depending on how much money we're talkin about it's jail time for Kazam.


Greets

[Flippy]

Flippy, people donated for ranking. People didn't donate for Kazam. Therefore, the context to which that definition would apply is "a gift to ranking" not a "gift to Kazam" Need I argue more?

Anyways, the conclusion that I've come up with:

Money was donated inorder to keep ranking up. The money was neither used to pay for the host nor was it used to buy the paid version of invisionboards. Kazam claims that he used the money to pay tikmasta for the "random cancellation" of the subscription to the host when there was supposed DDOS attacks. Theoretically, Kazam would have to give the money to Tikmasta first and Tikmasta would have to pay the host as the bill would come under his name. This is false, as Tikmasta himself said that he has never recieved any money from the donation fund. Also, Ranking was hosted on Tikmasta's site dodclan.net, which is still up (both www.dodclan.net and www.dodclan.net/ranking) on the same host (rubas.net) therefore it is evident that Tikmasta never canceled the subscription to the host. The money may or may not be used to buy Knight Online items by Kazam, but it was never used to buy anything ranking related.

Kazam, why are you avoiding a simple question? What was the money used for? The fee to pay for the "random cancelation" of the subscription to Tikmasta's host is HORSE SHIT (as proven by me). Atleast think before you come up with a retarded lie. LOL[/b]

unless I missed something ranking is not a company or a moral person (not sure it's the right word) therefore you can't "donate to ranking", I'm sorry but people were just dumb if they really donated 600$ without even knowing what they were doing.

With 600$ they could rent a really good server for a few months so I don't see why they donated to kazam instead

[Ethernal]

Ethernal I have HunterMark on my msn. The only way you could have me on msn is if you are HunterMark. Way to go kid, you just proved my theory.[/b]

moe, that was just pathetic, you can think of something smarter

[3thos]

Didn't bother to read the whole thing but what Kazam has done is illegal and we all know it. You can take legal actions against stuff like this. It's the same thing as if someone goes around knocking doors to collect money for the poor, when you make the donation for that you want the money to go to the poor people right? It's the same thing here, if he said he wanted donations to keep ranking up and didnt use it for that, depending on how much money we're talkin about it's jail time for Kazam.
Greets[/b]

well it depends where the kid lives.

he is 16 so he is considered a delinquent.

if it was more then 500.00 dollars he could do time or probation.

but if it is no more then 1,000.00 dollars, its not even worth the time and money to pay a legal service to get back that money when you just spent the money you got back on the legal services, if not more.