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im talking about the people who live here TODAYOriginally posted by Cocaine
If your talking about people conquoring the Native Americans then shouldnt these Americans your referring to be called the Europians? The people who came to America were told to colonize and find new land by the Europian leaders of w/e country they come from.
No your not.Originally posted by louch
wtf do you think the pilgrims were thankful for when they made this holiday? *
LAND *
where and how did they get that land? *
KILLING INDIANS *
come on this would be like if we were celebrating denim jeans...the origin of that would be what? cotton, who picked our cotton? *
black slaves, so by celebrating denim, we'd be celebrating slavery. *
and it depresses me that you wont post again because im really bored and cranky from this heart burn from drinking champagne *
i want an arguement damnit
no what...Originally posted by Cocaine+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Cocaine)</div><!--QuoteBegin-louchNo your not.[/b]wtf do you think the pilgrims were thankful for when they made this holiday? *
LAND *
where and how did they get that land? *
KILLING INDIANS *
come on this would be like if we were celebrating denim jeans...the origin of that would be what? cotton, who picked our cotton? *
black slaves, so by celebrating denim, we'd be celebrating slavery. *
and it depresses me that you wont post again because im really bored and cranky from this heart burn from drinking champagne *
i want an arguement damnit
What do you think? Talking about people who live here today.
actually i am, the times im talking about people back then, i say pilgrims, because thats what they were.Originally posted by Cocaine
What do you think? Talking about people who live here today.
i didnt say european, or american, i said pilgrim.
i havent been talking about only pilgrims this whole time, unless you only read that 1 post.
No, I read your post saying, "im talking about the people who live here TODAY". Then I chose to read a few other posts on the page and saw that you contradicted yourself, so I laughed and posted it. The pilgrims WERE people from Europe. They didnt just appear out of nowhere on a boat, land on North America, and start colonizing. They were told to by Europian leaders.
when i said stuff about ppl conquoring the native americans, i said pilgrims, not americans.Originally posted by Cocaine
If your talking about people conquoring the Native Americans then shouldnt these Americans your referring to be called the Europians? The people who came to America were told to colonize and find new land by the Europian leaders of w/e country they come from.
ah, what is this, proud to be in the army, yet u didn't like thanksgiving couse "ur" ppl killed Indians, i smell something weird hereOriginally posted by louch+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(louch)</div><!--QuoteBegin-Munchwhat am i thankful for you ask? every thanksgiving ive asked myself the same thing, and never came up with an answer for it, so in a sense, im not thankful for anything really, but now, today, im thankful for the love i get and give with my girl, and im thankful that i am a soldier of the US army.since you asked for it i'll give you a quickie :P.
Your analogy makes sense on the surface. *But as I have been saying the Holiday is giving thanks to what you truely appreciate. *Which in your point was land at the time of the pilgrims. *We, today, are not pilgrims are we. *If you are going to bring time/circumstance up, what are you thankful for when you celebrate this holiday;*case and point.
Just as circumstantial evidence is more often then not thrown out in a court of law...so is this "too far outside the box" way of thinking you and people like you have thrown out of my mind.
whether you want to think it or not, this country celebrates the days we stole land from native americans, you may not think like that, along with millions of other americans, but its true, its the hidden truth, there much much hidden truth in the country, that only "outside the box thinkers" can see.
i, happen to be a very, VERY technical thinker.[/b]
when did i say i dont like thanksgiving? i actually remember saying i love it.Originally posted by Pwner4Last+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Pwner4Last)</div>Originally posted by louch@
<!--QuoteBegin-Munchah, what is this, proud to be in the army, yet u didn't like thanksgiving couse "ur" ppl killed Indians, i smell something weird here[/b]
since you asked for it i'll give you a quickie :P.
Your analogy makes sense on the surface. *But as I have been saying the Holiday is giving thanks to what you truely appreciate. *Which in your point was land at the time of the pilgrims. *We, today, are not pilgrims are we. *If you are going to bring time/circumstance up, what are you thankful for when you celebrate this holiday;
Just as circumstantial evidence is more often then not thrown out in a court of law...so is this "too far outside the box" way of thinking you and people like you have thrown out of my mind.
what am i thankful for you ask? every thanksgiving ive asked myself the same thing, and never came up with an answer for it, so in a sense, im not thankful for anything really, but now, today, im thankful for the love i get and give with my girl, and im thankful that i am a soldier of the US army.
whether you want to think it or not, this country celebrates the days we stole land from native americans, you may not think like that, along with millions of other americans, but its true, its the hidden truth, there much much hidden truth in the country, that only "outside the box thinkers" can see.
i, happen to be a very, VERY technical thinker.
i love every holiday, but i just see what thanksgiving was originally about, that doesnt mean i dont like it.
So basically you contradicted yourself again. Looks like your the one who sucks at argueing.Originally posted by louch+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(louch)</div>But earlier.....when i said stuff about ppl conquoring the native americans, i said pilgrims, not americans.[/b]Originally posted by Cocaine@
If your talking about people conquoring the Native Americans then shouldnt these Americans your referring to be called the Europians? The people who came to America were told to colonize and find new land by the Europian leaders of w/e country they come from.
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im not bagging on anyone or being liberal, but we stole the damn natives land, you cant counter that arguement, its impossible, and we celebrate it. *
dont get me wrong i love my country, and i love thanksgiving, i love all the holidays i get to celebrate in this wonderful country, but you cannot deny the fact WE STOLE THIS LAND, and now celebrate stealing it, and if me saying that "ruins your holiday" then your way to uptight. *
"i love the place i live, but i hate the people in charge" ~~ immortal technique
So basically you contradicted yourself again. Looks like your the one who sucks at argueing.[/b][/quote]Originally posted by Cocaine+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Cocaine)</div>But earlier.....Originally posted by louch+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(louch)<!--QuoteBegin-Cocainewhen i said stuff about ppl conquoring the native americans, i said pilgrims, not americans.[/b]@
If your talking about people conquoring the Native Americans then shouldnt these Americans your referring to be called the Europians? The people who came to America were told to colonize and find new land by the Europian leaders of w/e country they come from.
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im not bagging on anyone or being liberal, but we stole the damn natives land, you cant counter that arguement, its impossible, and we celebrate it. *
dont get me wrong i love my country, and i love thanksgiving, i love all the holidays i get to celebrate in this wonderful country, but you cannot deny the fact WE STOLE THIS LAND, and now celebrate stealing it, and if me saying that "ruins your holiday" then your way to uptight. *
"i love the place i live, but i hate the people in charge" ~~ immortal technique
...you must have drank to much because i didnt say anything about americans OR pilgrims in that 2nd quote...
...you must have drank to much because i didnt say anything about americans OR pilgrims in that 2nd quote...[/b][/quote]Originally posted by louch+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(louch)</div>Originally posted by Cocaine+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Cocaine)Originally posted by louch
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If your talking about people conquoring the Native Americans then shouldnt these Americans your referring to be called the Europians? The people who came to America were told to colonize and find new land by the Europian leaders of w/e country they come from.
when i said stuff about ppl conquoring the native americans, i said pilgrims, not americans.
<!--QuoteBegin-louchSo basically you contradicted yourself again. Looks like your the one who sucks at argueing.[/b]im not bagging on anyone or being liberal, but we stole the damn natives land, you cant counter that arguement, its impossible, and we celebrate it. *
dont get me wrong i love my country, and i love thanksgiving, i love all the holidays i get to celebrate in this wonderful country, but you cannot deny the fact WE STOLE THIS LAND, and now celebrate stealing it, and if me saying that "ruins your holiday" then your way to uptight. *
"i love the place i live, but i hate the people in charge" ~~ immortal technique
Are you kidding me? Read the underlined/blolded text. You said "we"(the Americans) stole this land.
Are you kidding me? Read the underlined/blolded text. You said "we"(the Americans) stole this land.[/b][/quote]Originally posted by Cocaine+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Cocaine)</div>Originally posted by louch+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(louch)Originally posted by Cocaine
Originally posted by louch
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If your talking about people conquoring the Native Americans then shouldnt these Americans your referring to be called the Europians? The people who came to America were told to colonize and find new land by the Europian leaders of w/e country they come from.
when i said stuff about ppl conquoring the native americans, i said pilgrims, not americans.
But earlier.....
<!--QuoteBegin-louch...you must have drank to much because i didnt say anything about americans OR pilgrims in that 2nd quote...[/b]
im not bagging on anyone or being liberal, but we stole the damn natives land, you cant counter that arguement, its impossible, and we celebrate it. *
dont get me wrong i love my country, and i love thanksgiving, i love all the holidays i get to celebrate in this wonderful country, but you cannot deny the fact WE STOLE THIS LAND, and now celebrate stealing it, and if me saying that "ruins your holiday" then your way to uptight. *
"i love the place i live, but i hate the people in charge" ~~ immortal technique
So basically you contradicted yourself again. Looks like your the one who sucks at argueing.
i said WE because the ppl who colonized this land are the only reason WE are here, so yes i said WE, but not WE as americans, WE meaning our fucking ancestors, jesus christ.
our ancestors were PILGRIMS from EUROPE, mainly ENGLAND.
got it now?!
thanksgiving celebrates the first plentiful harvest of the 'new world' it doesnt celebrate the oppression of indians or anything to do with the indians for that matter except for the fact that we shared that first harvest with indians(supposedly) but still it stands that thanksgiving is about the first harvest and surviving the first winter...of course the exact day isnt the day they celebrated it the first time its just the day weve now assigned to it
You stated nowhere that by "we" you meant our ancestors. So everyone who read that post assumed that by "we", you meant the people of the United States. Maybe if you had any talent for argueing whatsoever you would know that when argueing, you need to specify.
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