This is a discussion on Times have changed? Now is cool use HF ? within the General Chat forums, part of the Knight Online (ko4life.com) category; Originally Posted by regiss
well maby in Afghanistan there is no law about selling alcohol but in Poland that highly ...
haha I gave some afghan food that had pork in it once (he had no idea)
Originally Posted by TitanRogue
thats blackhat activities. Yet it does not state that you can or will be banned for admiting to using a cheat as long as you dont give out the information or link as to where to locate the said program. xD
No it says don't post information about any of that stuff, you are making the assumption we mean posting where to locate it, but information is ANY knowledge about it. That includes whether you use it, where to get it, etc.
is settling the discussion down.. KO TOS is different that K4L TOS.. so things like ohh u sold for USD u are cheater can't affect people here while using k0xp/hf or any other 3RD PARTY tool does.
I understand it low of NTT to implement a macro but since its already around we can't do anything about it.. for me using any kind of 3rd party tool is and should be bannable no matter how the times changed etc..
What you should be saying (if you had any intellect) is that the decision to choose or accept koxp as a satisfactory and acceptable alternative to genie, or to class them into the same boat, is a question of morality and ethics. Just because someone breaks one rule doesn't mean they can't then say another rule should be followed; occasionally i drive over the speed limit which is breaking a law, but just because I do that doesn't mean I can't complain about murder just because i broke another rule. And fundamentally what is the difference? It is that i can ethically accept driving over the speed limit but I cannot ethically accept a murder. Both are breaking rules, but the ethics seperates them. In the same way, many people in this community consider selling for USD ethically acceptable but don't consider KOXP ethical. That is the fundamental difference between the two. And of course, ethics depends on the person. And therefore you will never win or lose this argument because people will always be difference.
Therefore, we can conclude that this entire thread is pointless, as is Austin's post, and as is my post.
So then that's all it is, ethics? So breaking one rule is fine as long as the majority agrees with it? (usd trades)
this forum is an INDEPENDENT forum with its own rules.. as long as the forum allow USD trades in here no rules are being broken.. on the other hand this forum FORBIDS any discussion for 3rd party tools etc..
Just as I said... It's ok to break the rules as long as the majority says it's ok? Shut up or sit down.
Note: I'm still not taking sides and I personally enjoy being able to sell items for usd and buy them also but the discussion at hand is the fact that genie is just as much of a bot as HF. Personally I don't agree with either. I would be very happy if genie and hf or any other koxp were taken out of the equation. If all koxp was taken out of equation the only thing that would change in ko would be the price of items using igc due to the lack of gb farmers and the price of gb's per usd for people who buy or sell.
Ethics is not a black and white thing; it is different for each person. Hence, you get people who do illegal drugs, you get people who follow the rules to the T. You get people who kill, people who work for the police to stop the people who kill and defend the law. Anyway I'm waffling. The ultimate point is that people do what they want, for whatever reason. They do this because they can justify it to themselves personally. And every one of us (myself included because I sell for USD) who break the rules know that if they were to be banned for what they are doing they can ultimately have no complaint because it is the rules. But knowing that risk, knowing it's wrong, people still do it. And in the same way we talk about genie and koxp being ok/acceptable/not acceptable/stupid, people complain about babashopping - you only have to look at this section to see the previous discussions about babashopping and not babashopping. Therefore, you will never convince me that genie is the same as koxp, and I will never convince you that they are different because that is what we think and believe.
Also specific to your point now, just because everyone does it does not make it OK. But that is ethics mate. The law draws the black and white line of what is OK and what isn't. Ethics creates the murky area over that line where an individual breaks or follows the rules based on their belief. Many people breaking a rule doesn't make it ok; it just means society on the whole considers that rule to be breakable.