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    Quote Originally Posted by razor View Post
    yah man poor warriors are so underpowered they only have 14k hp and spam a rogues spike each time they use an ability

    theres a tradeoff though, for they are the hardest class to play in this game.
    it is the most gear dependent class to also, like BP. only 20% of warriors in any server can even reach 14khp. and warriors hitting same dmg as a rouge spike with CP is not even nearly possible. I've seen rouges do 1900+ spike with cp -3k. warriors dont even hit that hard unless target is dbed but its still only around 1400-1500. when rouges hit with db it can reach to 4k+. and sins use pot+minor too

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    most gear dependant... how?

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    Quote Originally Posted by domey View Post
    it is the most gear dependent class to also, like BP. only 20% of warriors in any server can even reach 14khp. and warriors hitting same dmg as a rouge spike with CP is not even nearly possible. I've seen rouges do 1900+ spike with cp -3k. warriors dont even hit that hard unless target is dbed but its still only around 1400-1500. when rouges hit with db it can reach to 4k+. and sins use pot+minor too
    You forgot that rogues don't have as much ac and hp as a warrior to begin with. You also forgot that warriors can spam their skills so the are hitting for ?1400-1500? over and over again while a rogue has cool down on his skills. Sins need more than to hit hard, they need to combo. Lots of really geared rogues struggle to kill because they can't combo. All classes have their + and -'s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by domey View Post
    it is the most gear dependent class to also, like BP. only 20% of warriors in any server can even reach 14khp. and warriors hitting same dmg as a rouge spike with CP is not even nearly possible. I've seen rouges do 1900+ spike with cp -3k. warriors dont even hit that hard unless target is dbed but its still only around 1400-1500. when rouges hit with db it can reach to 4k+. and sins use pot+minor too
    When he said that warriors spam rogues spike DMG ofc he meant w/o cp..
    And don't forget that cp isnt working 100% and can fail sometimes + it has cooldown...
    And let's not talk about the hp/ac difference ^^


    Quote Originally Posted by Bathory View Post
    You forgot that rogues don't have as much ac and hp as a warrior to begin with. You also forgot that warriors can spam their skills so the are hitting for ?1400-1500? over and over again while a rogue has cool down on his skills. Sins need more than to hit hard, they need to combo. Lots of really geared rogues struggle to kill because they can't combo. All classes have their + and -'s.
    +1

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    Thats amazing! nice add from them

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    If a sin fights an attacker (not passion build) and has his weapon cancellation, blinding and CP at good (not even perfect) timing, he can win with decent HP left.
    Against a passion build warrior sins have no chance, even with perfect timing of those skills, they will still die due to massive damage that they can't outheal.

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    maybe they will add soon 1920 heal scrolls xd 30 scrolls for 299 KC and parasite scrolls its pathetic

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    Quote Originally Posted by domey View Post
    it is the most gear dependent class to also, like BP. only 20% of warriors in any server can even reach 14khp. and warriors hitting same dmg as a rouge spike with CP is not even nearly possible. I've seen rouges do 1900+ spike with cp -3k. warriors dont even hit that hard unless target is dbed but its still only around 1400-1500. when rouges hit with db it can reach to 4k+. and sins use pot+minor too
    damn ya

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rokie View Post
    maybe they will add soon 1920 heal scrolls xd 30 scrolls for 299 KC and parasite scrolls its pathetic
    Hahahahaha that will be damn Rock ..... and also need Cure,Light Feat Scrolls please :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by EyeOfTheTiger View Post
    Hahahahaha that will be damn Rock ..... and also need Cure,Light Feat Scrolls please :P
    Lol! Wouldn't need priest

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bathory View Post
    You forgot that rogues don't have as much ac and hp as a warrior to begin with. You also forgot that warriors can spam their skills so the are hitting for ?1400-1500? over and over again while a rogue has cool down on his skills. Sins need more than to hit hard, they need to combo. Lots of really geared rogues struggle to kill because they can't combo. All classes have their + and -'s.
    as much as ac and hp? like that matters much in a vs against rouges with good gear. A rouge can get 400-800 ac if they wanted too and with 800 ac they can reach better def than a warrior in a vs. warriors can spam their skills yes but a rouge can up then Ante with their cp it might fail but u sometimes u forget a sin can minor+pot+wolf+ac which is total bs in a vs coz people make so much excuses and if a rouge wears iron set warriors barely do damage a sin with decent gear to begin with. Only way a warrior would hit very hard is if they're +9 shel set and +3 accessories. I once fought a 69 sin in cz and barely killed him. Any sin can rape a normal geared warrior even with crappy gear so warriors are pretty much gear dependent and buff dependent. Always need wolf,cure,sw and undy/ac.


    [QUOTE=MyDestiny;3012575]When he said that warriors spam rogues spike DMG ofc he meant w/o cp..
    And don't forget that cp isnt working 100% and can fail sometimes + it has cooldown...
    And let's not talk about the hp/ac difference ^^

    or lets not talk about eskrima for the matter its just overpowered :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by domey View Post
    as much as ac and hp? like that matters much in a vs against rouges with good gear. A rouge can get 400-800 ac if they wanted too and with 800 ac they can reach better def than a warrior in a vs. warriors can spam their skills yes but a rouge can up then Ante with their cp it might fail but u sometimes u forget a sin can minor+pot+wolf+ac which is total bs in a vs coz people make so much excuses and if a rouge wears iron set warriors barely do damage a sin with decent gear to begin with. Only way a warrior would hit very hard is if they're +9 shel set and +3 accessories. I once fought a 69 sin in cz and barely killed him. Any sin can rape a normal geared warrior even with crappy gear so warriors are pretty much gear dependent and buff dependent. Always need wolf,cure,sw and undy/ac.
    about that 800 ac skill, this may count when you talking about rlb, in all other zones its irrelevant, bcoz none using that skill. idk what the problem if sin can pot and wolf aswell (lol?). and last thing is, that you somehow completly forgot to mention 25 dd helmets. so when it comes to a vs warri vs sin, its quite balanced imo.iam not playing sin but archer just clear thing things out, if anyone should be crying about unfair vs, its definitely archers, coz that lame cooldown

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    Quote Originally Posted by domey View Post
    as much as ac and hp? like that matters much in a vs against rouges with good gear. A rouge can get 400-800 ac if they wanted too and with 800 ac they can reach better def than a warrior in a vs. warriors can spam their skills yes but a rouge can up then Ante with their cp it might fail but u sometimes u forget a sin can minor+pot+wolf+ac which is total bs in a vs coz people make so much excuses and if a rouge wears iron set warriors barely do damage a sin with decent gear to begin with. Only way a warrior would hit very hard is if they're +9 shel set and +3 accessories. I once fought a 69 sin in cz and barely killed him. Any sin can rape a normal geared warrior even with crappy gear so warriors are pretty much gear dependent and buff dependent. Always need wolf,cure,sw and undy/ac.
    lmao jesus christ you are retarded.

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    [QUOTE=domey;3019105]as much as ac and hp? like that matters much in a vs against rouges with good gear. A rouge can get 400-800 ac if they wanted too and with 800 ac they can reach better def than a warrior in a vs. warriors can spam their skills yes but a rouge can up then Ante with their cp it might fail but u sometimes u forget a sin can minor+pot+wolf+ac which is total bs in a vs coz people make so much excuses and if a rouge wears iron set warriors barely do damage a sin with decent gear to begin with. Only way a warrior would hit very hard is if they're +9 shel set and +3 accessories. I once fought a 69 sin in cz and barely killed him. Any sin can rape a normal geared warrior even with crappy gear so warriors are pretty much gear dependent and buff dependent. Always need wolf,cure,sw and undy/ac.


    Quote Originally Posted by MyDestiny View Post
    When he said that warriors spam rogues spike DMG ofc he meant w/o cp..
    And don't forget that cp isnt working 100% and can fail sometimes + it has cooldown...
    And let's not talk about the hp/ac difference ^^

    or lets not talk about eskrima for the matter its just overpowered :P
    I really have no idea what you are talking about :X

    I was playing 80+ warrior with good gear (+2 and +8 Baal and shells 8) and there wasn't even 1 rogue, no matter what items he had (e.g sinnins and jacktr with all their +9/+3s) who could beat me... CZ warriors are op, especially if you know how to play it

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    I believe that with right timing on CP and Armor Cancellation you can actually beat warriors easy. CP also sometimes doubles your minor healing (120 hp instead of 60) so using armor cancel + CP when your hp starts to go down might settle the score in a VS. A sin can pretty much go back to full hp in middle of the VS if everything goes as planned. But that's just theoretical.. Whole Warrior VS Rogue question is dumb anyway because it all depends on the item lvl you decide to use in vs. If you go +8 and +0s its totally different than +3 +9s.

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