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    Default Upgrade %%% on Euko!!!

    If anyone knows about the Euko upgrading percent pls post here. all i know is its not the same as Usko.

    Unique iteams
    High class
    Jewels

    with TRINA/ TEARS
    I couldnt find any topic about this. if there is any pls close mine.

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    anyone know the success rate for upgrading iteams on EUKO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince View Post
    If anyone knows about the Euko upgrading percent pls post here. all i know is its not the same as Usko.

    Unique iteams
    High class
    Jewels

    with TRINA/ TEARS
    I couldnt find any topic about this. if there is any pls close mine.
    Not a clue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Prince View Post
    anyone know the success rate for upgrading iteams on EUKO
    Yeah

    ...

    anyway, no one can really give you an estimate. how do you want them to calculate that? its known by everyone reb upgrading is 50% and with tears 70%, and the +7 to +8 ratio is 25%(?) or 20%.

    unless someone spends days at anvil it would be hard to come up with a chart.

    edit: and i dont think that someone from NTT posted the rates at their forum. its not a private server.

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    Quote Originally Posted by razor View Post
    Not a clue.


    Yeah

    ...

    anyway, no one can really give you an estimate. how do you want them to calculate that? its known by everyone reb upgrading is 50% and with tears 70%, and the +7 to +8 ratio is 25%(?) or 20%.

    unless someone spends days at anvil it would be hard to come up with a chart.

    edit: and i dont think that someone from NTT posted the rates at their forum. its not a private server.
    ok thanks alot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince View Post
    anyone know the success rate for upgrading iteams on EUKO

    • going from 1->2 with BUS is 100%
    • going from 2->3 with BUS is 100%
    • going from 3->4 with BUS is ~70%
    • going from 4->5 with BUS is ~70%
    • going from 5->6 with BUS is ~65%
    • going from 6->7 with BUS is ~35%
    • going from 7->8 with BUS is ~5%
    • without trian ...
      and trina makes 25%+ more chance , and +3 to +5 with trina is 100%..
      well dont ask me those everything is 100% true or not, because you know
      More You take Risk , More you Gain..

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    based on that post it's almost exactly like usko was when i was playing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibloodycool View Post
    • going from 1->2 with BUS is 100%
    • going from 2->3 with BUS is 100%
    • going from 3->4 with BUS is ~70%
    • going from 4->5 with BUS is ~70%
    • going from 5->6 with BUS is ~65%
    • going from 6->7 with BUS is ~35%
    • going from 7->8 with BUS is ~5%
    • without trian ...
      and trina makes 25%+ more chance , and +3 to +5 with trina is 100%..
      well dont ask me those everything is 100% true or not, because you know
      More You take Risk , More you Gain..
    What's your sources?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibloodycool View Post
    • going from 1->2 with BUS is 100%
    • going from 2->3 with BUS is 100%
    • going from 3->4 with BUS is ~70%
    • going from 4->5 with BUS is ~70%
    • going from 5->6 with BUS is ~65%
    • going from 6->7 with BUS is ~35%
    • going from 7->8 with BUS is ~5%
    • without trian ...
      and trina makes 25%+ more chance , and +3 to +5 with trina is 100%..
      well dont ask me those everything is 100% true or not, because you know
      More You take Risk , More you Gain..
    thanks mate ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibloodycool View Post
    • going from 1->2 with BUS is 100%
    • going from 2->3 with BUS is 100%
    • going from 3->4 with BUS is ~70%
    • going from 4->5 with BUS is ~70%
    • going from 5->6 with BUS is ~65%
    • going from 6->7 with BUS is ~35%
    • going from 7->8 with BUS is ~5%
    • without trian ...
      and trina makes 25%+ more chance , and +3 to +5 with trina is 100%..
      well dont ask me those everything is 100% true or not, because you know
      More You take Risk , More you Gain..
    Lolz why you are just writing some random numbers and making him believe you?

    First of all Trina add 20% that's why it's 25% to +8 with Trina, second even if it was 25%, with the rates you posted its still not 100% to +5. Third, +4 and +5 doesn't have the same rate.. But nice try..

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyDestiny View Post
    Lolz why you are just writing some random numbers and making him believe you?

    First of all Trina add 20% that's why it's 25% to +8 with Trina, second even if it was 25%, with the rates you posted its still not 100% to +5. Third, +4 and +5 doesn't have the same rate.. But nice try..
    Because he asked and "~"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibloodycool View Post
    • going from 1->2 with BUS is 100%
    • going from 2->3 with BUS is 100%
    • going from 3->4 with BUS is ~70%
    • going from 4->5 with BUS is ~70%
    • going from 5->6 with BUS is ~65%
    • going from 6->7 with BUS is ~35%
    • going from 7->8 with BUS is ~5%
    • without trian ...
      and trina makes 25%+ more chance , and +3 to +5 with trina is 100%..
      well dont ask me those everything is 100% true or not, because you know
      More You take Risk , More you Gain..
    Fuck no

    +3 - +4 = 40%
    +4 - +5 = 70%

    if u get passed +4, u're a god.

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    think of it as a 50/50 chance every time you upgrade...... either it goes or it burns....

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    Quote Originally Posted by XApolloX View Post
    think of it as a 50/50 chance every time you upgrade...... either it goes or it burns....
    Must be the dumbest thing I've ever heard on this forum.

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    someone posted this on EUKO forums , i hope it answers your question.


    ''The Anvil... revealed


    Ok, since I play KO I heard alot different theory about the anvil, somes very weird, somes good and some that I didn't find words to qualify. I decided to really study the anvil back in 2007-2008, and maded a complete theory of how it does really works. For all thoses who know me on Cypher (Bodycult), know my upgrading skills. Just for a bit credibility, here is a list of some thing I maded:

    Cypher

    Tons of +8 (wont enumerate)
    Salamander staff +9
    Shard +9
    Elixir staff +9
    Scorching staff +17 rebirth (burnt at +18)

    CWest

    Shard +12reb
    Shard +13reb (a different one)


    *To reduce calculs, I wont talk here about +1 to +7 upgrades, but rather focus on +8, +9 and +10.*

    Hypothesis

    Chance of sucess +7 to +8 = 5%
    Chance of sucess +8 to +9 = 2%
    Chance of sucess +9 to +10 = 0.5%


    1) Upgrading with trina

    Saw on official website that trina add 20% sucess rate. There is 2 theory about this statement:

    First: you try a +7 to +8 item, you'll have 5% +20% = 25% chance of sucess
    Second: it add 20% to the odd you already have, so it would be 5%(1.2) = 6% chance of sucess

    With all the data I've got over the past 6 years, the first theory win. If you dont thrust me on that just compile data yourself and do some stats.

    2) Burning items.... whats the goal ?!?


    Alot find it weird to burn stuff, alot find it very usefull, alot use this technique without knowing why they do that, so let me explain. This is a bad application of a probability law called the geometric law. The main goal of this technique is to increase the odds of getting a sucess after getting some burns. Consider the following outcomes (s as sucess, f as fail)


    f s s f f f s f f f f f f f f f f s f s f f s f s f f f f f f s f f f f f

    It is true to say that there is more odds of getting a sucess giving the first n burnt. The more you burn, the more sucess rate you got. HOWEVER THIS IS ONLY TRUE IF YOU LOOK THE ENTIRE SEQUENCE. If you throw a piece 9 times and got 9 face, you still got 50% chance of getting a face the next throw. So in reallity, its useless to burn stuff before upgrading.


    3) Upgrading rebirthed items

    Ok here is the most interresting part, since there is alot controversy. I'll give a bit more details on that.

    On official site when rebirth system has been installed ingame, we found this very important statement: "Upgrading through the rebirth system give exactlly the same odds as using non rebirth items ".We also can find on website PUS that Tears of Karivdis add 30% chance of sucess. Lets see what thoses two statements means:


    Some information


    +7 to +8 = +1reb to +5reb (4 upgrades)
    +8 to +9 = +5reb to +11reb (6 upgrades)
    +9 to +10 = +11reb to +21reb (10 upgrades)

    Another usefull information is that the sucess rate is the same for each step I mean:

    +1reb -------> +2reb = +2reb -------> +3reb = +3reb -------> +4reb = +4reb -------> +5reb
    then we switch to another sucess rate
    +5reb -------> +6reb = +6reb -------> +7reb ....... = +10reb -------> +11reb
    then we switch to another again
    +11reb -------> +12reb = +12reb -------> +13reb ....... = +20reb -------> +21reb

    This is not an hypothesis, this is the way it has been programmed to satisfy the official statement. Ok lets start to calculs the sucess rates, based on the top post hypothesis (I'll put hypothesis in green)

    To find a sucess rate for +7 to +8, we need to solve the following equation:

    0,05 = x4
    (0,05)1/4 = x
    Then x = 0,47287

    This mean for each step to +1reb to +5reb, the sucess rate is 47,287% of sucess and this is without Tears of Karivdis. So adding a Tears give 30% + 47,287% = 77,287% chance of sucess

    To find a sucess rate for +8 to +9, we need to solve the following equation:

    0,02 = x6
    (0,02)1/6 = x
    Then x = 0,521

    This mean for each step to +5reb to +11reb, the sucess rate is 52,1% of sucess and this is without Tears of Karivdis. So adding a Tears give 30% + 52,1% = 82,1% chance of sucess


    To find a sucess rate for +9 to +10, we need to solve the following equation:

    0,005 = x10
    (0,005)1/10 = x
    Then x = 0,5887

    This mean for each step to +11reb to +21reb, the sucess rate is 58,87% of sucess and this is without Tears of Karivdis. So adding a Tears give 30% + 58,87% = 88,87% chance of sucess


    Alot see this and think its not possible, but the proove is here, and I prooved it just by using the official statements. You find this ratio a bit high ? Then try and you will see. Also if you want, you can change the hypothesis odds (in the top) and adjust the calculs to see what it give, but the hypothesis like that are very realistic. ''
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stalker4Life View Post
    Fuck no

    +3 - +4 = 40%
    +4 - +5 = 70%

    if u get passed +4, u're a god.
    True that.

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