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Why I think the game won't be on in two years.

This is a discussion on Why I think the game won't be on in two years. within the General Chat forums, part of the Knight Online (ko4life.com) category; Except for private servers, of course - for that matter the Japanese game will probably still be going, and the ...
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    Except for private servers, of course - for that matter the Japanese game will probably still be going, and the Korean game. And that MGAME test server (which is likely the best to play on, even if you can't read anything, yeah yeah, its something like knightonline.mgame.com) of course.

    But I'm speaking of USKO, the K2 servers in particular, and why I think decisions by the management are going to result in a crash of the in game population over the next several months.

    First, a couple of facts. On all the older servers, certainly on Diez where I play, the majority of players are not from North America, and most do not speak English. I'm told this is true on the new servers, though not as bad, but I'm not going to create an account just to run around asking people if they speakie the Ainglish. So I assume this to be true.

    Second, this game has and always has had a very active group of farmers, most of whom are not from North America. By farmers, I mean people who kill bosses and so forth and sell the results for US dollars. This is hardly news to anyone who has played the game long enough to hear the term "babashop".

    Farmers can NOT successfully farm by themselves in this game. This is an absolute fact. A farmer must have backup or he can't come in and rule the bowl long enough to take bosses with a reasonable chance of success. (In case anyone hasn't figured it out, a lot of the heavy hitters in Ardream are farmers.) Farmers often give items away to fellow clan members or other useful people, just to keep them fighting to help the farmer get better items. (Of course, NOBODY here has ever been offered items to join a group, then told that this group requires a boss run every few hours without exception - LOL. Can't be that the guy on top is a FARMER for CASH, could it?)

    Now, lets put this together and see what results. There are farmers, they sell for USD, they are all over the servers, they pass out items to keep people helping them farm, and they have to have backup or they can't farm items. And they and their gifts keep a lot of powerful people playing this game who would otherwise quit. And note that K2 has never tried to take any real action against farmers - most game companies ban farmers as quickly as they are found. K2 doesn't even look.

    This being true, what happens when the new patch comes out? The answer to that is simple, the farmers will dupe until the new dupe bugs are fixed, and then they'll leave for better waters elsewhere. The trade in of NP for uniques is going to inevitably drop the price of uniques to the point where nobody will be willing to pay USD for them. So the farmers will dupe coins or scrolls and sell to the merchants so they can sell IGC, and when that's over, they leave.

    When the farmers leave, their hangers on will leave also, some quickly, some will take a while, but with no free items forthcoming, they'll quit too.

    What about the US player community? Can that pick up the slack?

    I really doubt that happening. The US community is broken beyond repair, IMHO, due to pitiful support and a generally beat down attitude. Go to the KO download page on CNET and read the hundreds of comments about this game. New players now are pretty green in terms of MMORPG's, and the old players are quitting or planning to quit for WarHammer when that comes out.

    So if the farming community leaves, and their support crews leave, and the US community is broken, that leaves mostly the cafe crowd. IMHO, the cafe crowd does not buy enough of anything to support K2 and it's boss in the manner in which they've become accustomed. So I'm expecting the server populations to start dwindling shortly after the patch is out, and drop faster as they get smaller in a positive feedback reaction.

    About support and the beat down US player community, consider this. Tez pulled some fast ones, admitted, but what he got banned for was actually funny in a horrible sort of way. In other games I've played, say DAOC for example, if I logged a character that was seven levels below what it was the day before, with items missing, what would I do? I'd type "/say GM", explain the matter to him, that my account was obviously compromised and someone had dlvled it while I was offline. What do you think would happen? The GM would spend about ten minutes checking the server logs, restore my levels and items, and apologize for this happening in their game. And he'd ban the guy who dlved me!

    The US player community is so beat down on this game, that normal support levels for other games are considered cheating. That's how beat down we are, that's how bad the support is.

    So I'll keep playing on my alternate (told everyone they better have one ready, because random bans simply happen to us all) till WarHammer comes out. And then it's goodbye. And I don't expect I'll be back after that, because I don't think there will be anything to come back to.



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    Its simple... they are digging their own hole

    Maybe Blizz gonna buy USKO now? >.<

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    If Blizz buys USKO, im gona quit.

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    uh i thinked we play this game for pk and not for farm

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    as long as k2 makes money by premium/ knight cash this game wont close

    even if all ppl who speak english quits this game WONT die

    this game wont die untill the turks stop playing

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    why would a succesfull company such as blizz with best 24/7 support buy a corrupt game of a bunch of idiots ??

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    MGAME test server? :mellow: wth?

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    I think some of you missed the point.

    I did NOT say all players not from the US are farmers, and I did NOT say that no US players were farmers. I did say the game is FULL of FARMERS, which is an iron clad fact that cannot be disputed (by anyone with eyes and sense), and I did say that farmers are the core of many groups that run for bosses, especially in Ardream.

    When the core of these groups leave, the group will break up and leave.

    And that will be the end of K2&#39;s profits, no doubt they&#39;ll try some things to get the players back, but it is very unlikely any of them will work, because their lack of support and general pissy attitude has poisoned the well, so to speak.

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    MGAME test server? :mellow: wth?[/b]

    LOL, now how did I know that somebody would ask that? Yes, they have a test server, yes, you can create a char on it.

    I don&#39;t remember if that&#39;s the right URL or not, and IDK if they are still allowing ppl from outside Korea to log that server, but do a google, you&#39;ll find it.

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    The same thing has been said a few years ago..

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    game won&#39;t be on in two years[/b]
    I bet there will be loads of better MMOs than ko in 2 years. So who will care about ko ? K2 will buy a new game and run it...

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    Bet my ass all of us will still be playing and everything will be normal, you probably said the same thing when you started.

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    The same thing has been said a few years ago..[/b]
    The updates never made farming a worthless enterprise before. Prior to this post, everyone saying the game would be going down was basing this on "US players leaving" or "ban all Turks and servers are empty" or "the game is so full of cheats everyone will leave" or similar things that are based in some kind of "this offends me so I think the game will go down".

    I&#39;m basing my opinion on simple economic facts, a plethora of uniques will make farming for uniques a thing of the past. A patch (probably take six months, which is why I said eight, allowing two months for the farmers hangers on to quit) that blocks duping as well as the Drake patch will make gold duping unprofitable, IOW time spent vs money earned will be low, and so the duping farmers will leave.

    The game is nearly unique in my experience because true gold farming is simply impossible here. There are no mobs dropping 100K coins or above. And that&#39;s why the noah bonuses keep getting turned on, the amount of coin on the servers has to be great enough to support everyones NPC mana pot habit, and money that goes to the NPC&#39;s is simply deleted off the servers.

    Gold duping has been responsible for every inflation of the past, and they obviously have contol of duping now, or prices would not be so low.

    No gold farming, no unique farming for USD, means no farmers for economic reasons having nothing to do with "fun".

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    Blizzard are way to strict .

    My friend got banned because he received 600gold from a friend who was qutting .

    Reason : Buying Golds for

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    Blizzard are way to strict .

    My friend got banned because he received 600gold from a friend who was qutting .

    Reason : Buying Golds for €[/b]
    Yeah it&#39;s true..
    Every mmo.. I mean EVERY game have babashoping.. And no1 can do anything about it..
    While playing wow i see alot of ppl pming me with their site to buy gold for $/€
    It will be always like that. Get used to it

    But atleast blizz banning suspicious players h34r:

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