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This is a discussion on PC recommendation within the Tech Support forums, part of the Knight Online (ko4life.com) category; So, as I'm going to get myself a new PC, I've got 2 offers that pretty much got my interests, ...
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    So, as I'm going to get myself a new PC, I've got 2 offers that pretty much got my interests, however im not quite sure which one to take. Haven't bothered much with hardware in the past 5-6 years, so I'm not quite up to date or whatever you want to call it...

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    PC #1

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    AMD Athlon™ 64 X2 Dual-Core 6000+
    - 64-Bit Technologie
    - 2x 3000 MHz
    - 2 * 1024 kB L2-Cache
    - 940-pol. AM2-Sockel
    
    Arctic Cooling Freezer 64 Pro
    
    Mainboard with NVIDIA nForce 520LE (Sockel AM2)
    - Supports the Cool 'n' Quite™-Technologie of AMD
    - 4x DDR2: PC800, PC667 or PC533, max. 8GB
    - Supports Dual-Channel-technologie
    - IDE 1x ATA 133 , supports up to 2 IDE
    - 2 SATA2 supports up to 2 SATA at 3 Gb/s,
    **RAID-Controller supports RAID 0, 1
    - 3 PCI-Slots
    - 1 PCI-Express x 16 Slot for PCI Express-Graphiccards
    - 1 PCI-Express x 1 Slot
    - 8 x USB 2.0: 4 Standard-USB 2.0 on the backside,
    **additionally Header to support another 4 USB 2.0 on the mainboard
    - ATX Formfaktor
    
    Onboard-Soundcard: 6-Kanal HD Audio
    Onboard-LAN: Ethernet 10/100 MBit/s
    
    4096 MB (2*2048MB) DDR2 PC800; Aenon
    
    Hitachi SATA2 250GB HDD
    
    GeForce 9600GT**512MB DDR3
    - PCI-Express x16
    - D-Sub (15pol), S-Video, DVI
    - Supports MS DirectX® 10.0, DirectX® 9.0 Shader Model 3.0
    
    DVD±RW Burner with Dual-Layer function.
    For 576.83$


    or PC #2

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    Intel® Core™2 Duo E8400
    - 2x 3,0 GHz
    - 32- or 64-Bit
    - 6 MB L2-Cache
    - 1333 Front Side Bus (FSB)
    - Sockel LGA775
    
    Arcitc Cooling Freezer 7 Pro
    
    ASUS P5K SE
    - Sockel LGA 775
    - Northbridge Intel P35, Southbridge Intel ICH9
    - Front-Side Bus (FSB) 1333/1066/800
    - 4 x DDR2: DDR2-800 or DDR2-667, max. 8GB
    - Support of Dual-Channel-technologie
    - 1 IDE 2x ATA 133 , up to 2 IDE
    - 4 Serial-ATA 3,0GB/s (via Southbridge)
    **supports up to 6 SATA2 at 3.0 Gb/s
    **with RAID-Controller supports RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID 5 and RAID 10.
    1 External Serial-ATA 3,0Gb/s (via Marvell 88SE6111) supports 1 SATA2 on the Backpanel
    - 2 PCI-Slots
    - 1 PCI-Express x 16 Slot für PCI Express-Graphiccards
    - 3 PCI-Express x 1 Slot
    - 12 x USB 2.0: 6 Standard-USB 2.0 on the backside,
    **additionally Header to support another 6 USB 2.0 on Mainboard
    - ATX Formfaktor
    
    Onboard-Soundcard: 8-Kanall HD Audio
    Onboard-LAN: Gigabit LAN 10/100/1000 Mb/s
    2048 MB (2*1024MB) DDR2 PC800; Aenon
    
     GeForce 8600GT**1024MB DDR2
    - PCI-Express x16
    - D-Sub (15pol), S-Video, DVI
    - Supports MS DirectX® 10.0 Shader Model 4, DirectX® 9.0 Shader Model 3.0
    
    Hitachi SATA2 250GB HDD
    
    DVD±RW Burner with Dual-Layer function.
    For 592.42$


    I don't really care about soundcard, networkcard or HDD even, those I got here myself as well as a few extern HDDs if necessary.

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    i would go for the second one because it has more SATA connectors, and has a bigger L2 cache. the rest of the specs are quite even.

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    Well, don't really need the SATA's, I still got a 2 IDEs here with each 250 gig, as well as 2x extern HDD with 160gig.. as it goes for HDD, I could care less.

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    For 20$ more I'll go for the second also.
    I think the E8400 is a nice CPU but you know in the first one the 9600 is good also.. Its an hard choice but I think you can add another 8600 on the second so take the second.

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    For 20$ more I'll go for the second also.
    I think the E8400 is a nice CPU but you know in the first one the 9600 is good also.. Its an hard choice but I think you can add another 8600 on the second so take the second.[/b]
    It's a DDR2 though, probably OC'd as I don't have further details to it... Gotta call em and figure it out.


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    u should rather ask if u can swap the 8600 with the 9600 bcz u will get way more fps with it,
    ddr3>ddr2, if u are going to play any other games than ko ofc.
    I'd also go for the 2nd pc,
    e8400 pwns ass, 4x333mHz bus speed ftw

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    u should rather ask if u can swap the 8600 with the 9600 bcz u will get way more fps with it,
    ddr3>ddr2, if u are going to play any other games than ko ofc.
    I'd also go for the 2nd pc,
    e8400 pwns ass, 4x333mHz bus speed ftw[/b]

    Well, I've been googling quite a while and as it goes for benchmarks and user opinions, the e8400 isn't really that much of a faster CPU, only gets noticeable after OC, and of course.. intel is better to OC in general. However, I'm most likely not going to OC either of the CPUs anyway.

    So, should I really sacrifice the 9600 DDR3 for a 8600 DDR2 and the 4gig ram for 2gig ram just because of the intel cpu might being a tiny bit faster?
    Looking at the specs, I think the AMD would run faster and more stable with its setup than the intel one.


    Oh and, I'll be most likely using xp prof 64bit, not even gonna bother getting vista.

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    Well, I've been googling quite a while and as it goes for benchmarks and user opinions, the e8400 isn't really that much of a faster CPU, only gets noticeable after OC, and of course.. intel is better to OC in general. However, I'm most likely not going to OC either of the CPUs anyway.

    So, should I really sacrifice the 9600 DDR3 for a 8600 DDR2 and the 4gig ram for 2gig ram just because of the intel cpu might being a tiny bit faster?
    Looking at the specs, I think the AMD would run faster and more stable with its setup than the intel one.
    Oh and, I'll be most likely using xp prof 64bit, not even gonna bother getting vista.[/b]
    oh i misreaded the ram side of it then, umm ye it really makes a difference between a 4x266mHz bus speed and a 4x333 one but well,
    ye intel would be more OC'able but AMD is also OC'able.
    well the first one is also cool but i thought that one would be 2 gig ram as well.
    If you are planning to play other games aswell go for the 9600 since that one is allmost equal to a 8800GT, just 2 or 3 fp's lower but cheaper .
    It's a dillemma I'd say...

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    oh i misreaded the ram side of it then, umm ye it really makes a difference between a 4x266mHz bus speed and a 4x333 one but well,
    ye intel would be more OC'able but AMD is also OC'able.
    well the first one is also cool but i thought that one would be 2 gig ram as well.
    If you are planning to play other games aswell go for the 9600 since that one is allmost equal to a 8800GT, just 2 or 3 fp's lower but cheaper .
    It's a dillemma I'd say...[/b]
    you did notice that the 9600 is a DDR3 whilst the 8600 is a DDR2 OC'd, yes?

    Anyway... I'd be using it for way more than just KO, hell.. I wouldn't ever considering buying a new PC if it was just for KO... lol

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    you did notice that the 9600 is a DDR3 whilst the 8600 is a DDR2 OC'd, yes?

    Anyway... I'd be using it for way more than just KO, hell.. I wouldn't ever considering buying a new PC if it was just for KO... lol[/b]
    yes i did read my pre-previous post about that.
    ill show u something about both processors:

    Intel Core 2 Duo E8400
    Socket: 775
    Speed: 3,00GHz
    CPU: Core Dual
    Bus speed : 4x333MHz
    CPU Cache Level 1 : 64KB
    CPU Cache Level 2 : 6MB
    Thermal Design Power : 65W
    Warranty : 3 years

    AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+
    Socket : AM2
    Speed : 3,00GHz
    CPU : Core Dual
    Bus speed HT-Link : 1000MHz
    CPU Cache Level 1 2x 64KB
    CPU Cache Level 2 2x 1MB
    Thermal Design Power 125W
    Warranty : 2 Years

    these lines in bolt are the differences, the rest is up to you

    EDIT: incase u dont know the higher the thermal design power the more electricity it will use and the warmer the processor will be ^
    and about the OC of e8400 ye, it's easily OC'able to 4Ghz people say, if u get a decent cpu cooler u can also go 3,5-4Ghz on 1,25volt

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    As said, not going to OC and I get a warranty of 4 years by the seller.

    AMD Always had a pretty low cache compared to intel, however seem to be running just as fast, benchmarks show no real noticeable difference between the CPUs, at least not for my usage.

    Also am I more concerned about the complete package as if I should go #1 or #2, considering the next upgrades will be done in 2 maybe 3 years.

    The cooling I'm not worried about as the arctic cooling is, from what I've read and heard, pretty good at keeping the CPU at a low temperature, neither am I worried about the electricity consume as I won't be running them 24/7

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    yep that's a quit nice cooler for a low budget, only exception is that it looks ugly, but that's not a big problem

    Btw will u also get a new case?
    I'd recommend getting antec 900 aka hardcore gaming case or Antec Performance P182, but that's not a suprise i guess
    click the names of the cases to see what they got

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    Won't be going into modding, so doesn't really matter what kind of a case I get as long as it keeps it on low temperature :P

    I get to choose between 7 diff cases on the sellers store, some of them have a surcharge, some don't. I wouldn't mind paying an extra 10$ for my hardware to stay dust free and cool, lol.

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    well if u saw the links i gave u the 900 has got a godly cooling...
    so does the p182, but the 900 got a big 200mm on the top and 2 infront on itsself
    u could ask the seller about those 2 if u want, but itll be ur system so it's all up to you

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    well if u saw the links i gave u the 900 has got a godly cooling...
    so does the p182, but the 900 got a big 200mm on the top and 2 infront on itsself[/b]
    I get to choose between 7 diff cases on the sellers store.


    :P

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