9/11 Pentagon lies?

**T_rey** · 04-04-2007, 04:49 PM

What could be worse than a damn 747 crashing into the side? :lol: I'd hardly call that a simple blow, especially if the terrorists had explosives on board.

I've watched the video.. (no, not the one alterated by liberals, the one shot from the hotel down the street) and saw nothing out of the ordinary. You still havent answered my question of what COULD have done that. A missile or bombs wouldent have had the effect that it did.[/b]

A demolition crew sent in like a week before 9/11 actually took place when the two buildings were evacuated for an unscheduled drill and all bomb sniffing dogs were taken out, which is also the reason the towers fell straight down with the implosions.

You said that the way plane hit the top third of the tower, it could have fallen over. The towers stayed standing when they were hit by the planes, therefore there is no way the top would just tip over and leave the rest sitting there.

Also about building 7, use ur imagination...when a building that tall collapses, the pressure and force it puts on to the ground isn't very small. The air pressure it created could have easily destroyed the weak surrounding buildings.[/b]

First bold: The way the plane flew into the corner of the the tower would make the odds of that part of the tower tipping over instead of collapsing straight down. And planes have crashed into buildings a few times, those buildings are still collapsing. Watch loose change it shows where a building in japan burned for 36 or more hours (i dont remember the exact number might be 48 but u can look it up) but the building never collapsed, and both the twin towers collapsed in less then 30mins? hmmm

second bold: Its funny how the only building to collapse around the twin towers was also the only building with millions of dollars in the basement from gold eh? and considering it was a government building i would think it would have more support then the hotels and such around there.

PS: im an american and i always back my country, but after watching loose change it got me thinking about bush and all

**bigjuicyboobies** · 04-04-2007, 05:24 PM

Someone would notice a demolition crew placing bombs strategically at the support beams where the towers would have fallen a certain way,

If your going so far as to say the government staged this, why would you rule out the idea of someone other than the government to place "explosives" to ensure that the towers fell? I still don't believe that happened and tbh I never will because I don't think everything happens like the movies.. the towers may have fallen different than other buildings but I don't think its much of a reason to scream conspiracy. Different buildings means different construction methods.

When you pull out the jenga cube does the tower always fall the same way? :P

**BabyBash** · 04-04-2007, 05:55 PM

JENGAAAAAAAAA B)

Bulls Eye · 04-04-2007, 09:27 PM

just go n watch "loose change" on youtube

Xtr3m3 · 04-05-2007, 08:49 PM

i come across this subject..... and i'm like WOW, i knew little but no much about it but when i read this is was amazing

this is john lear:
John Lear, now retired from flying, amassed over 19,000 hours of flight time, and has flown in over 100 different types of airplanes in 60 different countries around the world. He flew both commercially and in missions worldwide for the CIA. John Lear is the only pilot to hold every airman certificate issued by the FAA, and has held many world records

now here is the interesting part:

J: john lear
A: art bell

http://www.greatdreams.com/John-Lear.htm

************************************************** ********************************

J - Well! This is a sensitive subject, and I told you that I was hesitant to talk about it.

A - That's why I'm bringing it up first! (Art laughs again)

J - But whoever concocted 9/11, and it certainly wasn't Osama Bin Ladin, they had two objectives - one was to polarize American's opinion against Arab-Muslims and number two was to get the United States - trick the U.S. - essentially to get Osama out of Afghanistan because Osama - as bad as he was - he was shutting down all the heroin poppy fields and was causing a disastrous monetary loss to the illegal drug industry - and last year, which was a year after we went into Afghanistan, National Geographic did a special on TV, that ran for several months and documented the 500% increase in drugs flowing out of Afghanistan 'after' we went in there and eliminated Osama.

A - laughs - They actually did. I recall that. I remember that report! Um - so you are sort of charging that we went in there after Osama - after Osama to rescue the drug trade?

J - No! Well - that wasn't what 'we' thought - we were sort of tricked into doing that. We were tricked into thinking that Osama was responsible for 9/11, but to get a proper perspective on who 'did' the World Trade Center - uh - you have to understand what a magnificent feat of airmanship this was. It was 'disastrous' and was horrible for this country, but this was not accomplished by some guys who went to Florida and got some instructions on a Cessna or a Piper and this was not accomplished by somebody who had a right seat on a 727.

A - What about simulators? Flight simulators?

J - This had to be accomplished by pilots who got instruction - were taken to 'honest-to-God' Boeing 757 simulators which is - you know - the 757 and 767 the same cockpit essentially and you get the same rating and whoever concocted this whole thing knew that on a particular day that airplanes themselves could be switched because of maintenance problems and by selecting airlines that had that airplane, they had everything covered.

A - Huh! So it actually took a fair amount of skill to plow into those buildings?

J - I would say that it took about 200 or 300 hours for each pilot - and we're talking about . . .

A - 200 or 300 hours? But you mean of simulator time?

J - Of simulator time! They had to learn how to step into the cockpit - and that's a whole thing - getting into the airplane, but that's separate from that - they had to get into the cockpit and pull the circuit breaker for the transponder - sit in the pilot seat, disconnect the auto-pilot from the flight management system - turn the airplane, push the throttles all the way forward, find Manhattan - then line up on a pre-planned course - doing 10 miles a minute - they were clocked by air traffic control doing 600 miles an hour at 700 feet above the ground and fly directly into the middle the center of the World Trade Center. Now that - you know and the air races only fly 400 miles an hour and that's difficult - but to fly an airliner like the size of a 757 at 700 feet - I mean that took some skill and that took a long time to train that - probably a year.

A - That's wild (unintelligible)

J - In addition to that - hitting the Trade Center was a feat - but hitting the Pentagon was even more of a feat because when you are going that fast there is a tremendous amount of air creating this lift and as you head towards the ground, that air reacts against the wing and pushes you up, so whoever - whoever hit that - trained to hit the Pentagon at the 3rd story was highly trained because when he came towards the ground - there was a tremendous amount of lift and you would have to trim forward and push with an incredible amount of strength to not be pushed up and over the Pentagon to hit the 3rd story.

A - But what about the plane that went down that didn't make it - that was probably headed towards the Whitehouse?

J - uh - Well that was shot down by an F-16 out of a base south of New York and uh . . .

A - How can you be so sure?

J - Well because there were parts found 5 miles away - uh - because there were eye-witnesses to it being shot down - uh - there is corroborating evidence somebody who was listening to a cell phone conversation at the time this was going on who said they heard the rapid - like the ... described it as a pilot rapidly turning pages - well - that's not what was happening - that was the cannon fire hitting the fuselage and that's what accounted for - what they called the 'smoke ' in the air in the cabin - well that wasn't smoke - that was the depressurization causing the condensation.

A - Well so you are saying definitely that you feel it was shot down . . .

J - But you have to understand the governments position - #1 - they couldn't 'possibly' reveal this information because - you know - it was something they had to do - the problem was that once the passengers got control of the airplane there was no way to communicate with air traffic control or communicate with whoever was directing the attack for the airforce.

A - Now you say Osama Bin Ladin wasn't responsible but there are video tapes showing Osama with his Lieutenant sort of laughing and joking - they didn't expect such a grand result and all that baloney - what about that?

J - He might have been told at the last minute, but if that's all we've got, people say 'how come we haven't got him'? But the bottom line is, we don't want to get Osama - we'd have to put him on trial and other than that video tape, we don't have a 'shred' - not a 'shred' of evidence against him.

A - Uh huh! Yet, it might be enough in a court of law!

J - In a world court?

A - You might be right! Well! Uh - I don't know - You've shocked me with some of your views. on the 9/11 business. No question about that! 100's of hours - Where would they get simulator training like that? - that many hours . . .

J - Therein lies the problem. Because they 'certainly' couldn't waltz into any airline in the United States and get that kind of time - I mean most of the airlines in the US who have 757's use them 24 hours a day and they certainly aren't in the habit of renting - uh - to unauthorized people like somebody going in there saying 'Hey! give me 1500 hours of time" - Its just not going to happen. They would have to find another 757 elsewhere in the world and if you look around in the Middle-East and there's certainly none there because at least not in any Arab Country because they have airbusses - strictly airbusses - They would have to find 757's somewhere else.

A - How many simulators are there?

J - Well! There are lots of them - but uh - well - not lots of them - but there's certain around somewhere and they'd have to make a deal somewhere - obviously they got training because they couldn't do it without training .

A - But what we've been given by the media - by the mass media - you know - they were down in Florida - getting a few hours on lighter aircraft - that doesn't wash at all . . .

J - No possibility! If you talk to any pilot that knows anything about this and that was - and that was a feat with the (unintelligible) with the benefit with 19,000 hours in all the airplanes I've flown including air races - the Douglas B-26, I doubt that I could have done that the 1st time . . .

A - Really!

J - You are doing a mile every 6 seconds - so you had to learn where to line up, you know ... which reference points to get - you know - where to be at a particular time hit that building. It had to be planned for a long, long time. So this is a tremendous amount of skill, and it took a long time to do, particularly you know - they probably got somebody who didn't have thousands of hours - they probably had to train them from the ground up, and in this case it was relatively easy because they didn't have to learn how to take off and land - he didn't have to learn how do a single engine approach - he didn't have to learn to do a (unintelligible) or MBD approach, or anything like that ...

A - Just hit a building ...

J - Yeah!

Stop for Newsbreak!

there more if you click in the link on top B)

it's preety crazy but intersting as well.....

GB

i wanted to put more bold but i need to feed my turtles :P

stevouk · 04-05-2007, 09:00 PM

i belive that that bush paid the afgahnistan ppl to do it[/b]

lols...like they would want paying...they would do it for free

stevouk · 04-05-2007, 09:06 PM

Someone would notice a demolition crew placing bombs strategically at the support beams where the towers would have fallen a certain way,

If your going so far as to say the government staged this, why would you rule out the idea of someone other than the government to place "explosives" to ensure that the towers fell? I still don't believe that happened and tbh I never will because I don't think everything happens like the movies.. the towers may have fallen different than other buildings but I don't think its much of a reason to scream conspiracy. Different buildings means different construction methods.

When you pull out the jenga cube does the tower always fall the same way? :P[/b]

If you have ever studied physics or Astro Physics then you would be clever enough to know that the only way these towers would of fell straight down to the floor is from bomb/explosive at the foundations. Think about it. 2 planes hit 2 different times (lets say the second plane hit exactly 1 minute after) then after about 20 minutes of chaos (maybe longer) one building falls straight down to the floor then the other very soon after...This is not just a coincidence nor is it a mistake. This was purposely done by someone other than terrorists. The only way the towers would have fell straight down is from explosives. The laws of Physics says this. Check it out.

KO4fun · 04-05-2007, 09:06 PM

The people that believe this is a cover up are the same people that believe the moon landing was fake and that pro wrestling is real!

stevouk · 04-05-2007, 09:15 PM

The people that believe this is a cover up are the same people that believe the moon landing was fake and that pro wrestling is real![/b]

The laws of Physics clearly state that if bombs were planted at the foundations of a building the building would fall straightt down to the floor like ice cream melting. If you want i will get you links of videos/websites and Physics databases for you to read up on. Then you we realise that your Government covers probably 90% of the shit up. In past history Presidents/Country Leaders have covered things up....One of the U.S presidents got the second largest vessle in the north atlantic fleet blown up on purpose to hide something (cant remember what exactly but have the link to the video) and then offered someone who new about his plan a promotion. If you want i can get you videos.

havvvk · 04-05-2007, 09:27 PM

lol you guys still whining about this garbage? give it up.

KO4fun · 04-05-2007, 09:37 PM

The laws of Physics clearly state that if bombs were planted at the foundations of a building the building would fall straightt down to the floor like ice cream melting. If you want i will get you links of videos/websites and Physics databases for you to read up on. Then you we realise that your Government covers probably 90% of the shit up. In past history Presidents/Country Leaders have covered things up....One of the U.S presidents got the second largest vessle in the north atlantic fleet blown up on purpose to hide something (cant remember what exactly but have the link to the video) and then offered someone who new about his plan a promotion. If you want i can get you videos.[/b]

The building was bombed before from the basement parking in the early 90's and did not fall. This building was constructed differently than most skyscrapers . Also the Cole was bombed in Yemen as the Presidential recounts were taking place.

**bigjuicyboobies** · 04-05-2007, 10:41 PM

im gunna post this again ....

If your going so far as to say the government staged this, why would you rule out the idea of someone other than the government to place "explosives" to ensure that the towers fell?[/b]

and honestly I don't care about what ur highschool physics book said, there are many things that cant be explained purely off a physics book, many things can change the outcome of this situation and some simple equasion isn't going to solve this. Like I said before, every building falls differently... especially such a tall one.

If the government covers a lot of shit up, I don't care!

I'm living a great life, and have many benefiets of being an American citizen. The reason I will never believe such bullshit as this is because no one can come up with credible reasons why our govermnet would kill its own citizens and pls dont gimme that oil in iraq bullshit cause it costs almost 3$ a damned gallon down here and it aint better up in the north. If we were so oil hungry do you really think we would try to build a democracy in iraq? -.-

I'd have just nuked the place tbh... those people dont want peace they thrive in turmoil.

And to the curious, the reason I support the war in iraq is because it's about damn time. We should have gotten that fanatical leader out years ago when he started doing this stuff. The people there are all fanatical muslims.. convert or kill oke? xD If everything was so peachy to begin with then we wouldent be running into so much resistance. As cruel as it sounds they should have been smarter than to try and overtake one of the strongest forces in the world. If you read up on the history on that country you'll realize we arn't killing the civilians(accedental at times, which happens in every war - very sad)

I'm not a war monger, I don't belive war is the way to solve everything. What I do belive is that iraq wont respond in a democratic manor unfortunatly. And as I said before, I am not a bush fan... I think some of the ways he has handeled the war was rediculous as well as some domestic issues such as border controll. For future reference though I am neither republican nor democrat, I think both parties from the US have become retarded lately. You guys also have to realize this is both past and present issues, this is not something new so I dunno whats with all the recent bush bashing, I'll admit out country has had their share of bad presedents. :lol:

Cocaine · 04-06-2007, 09:39 AM

What's the news here? Yea americans suck, supporting capitalism is maybe foolish?(communism ftw) Diz what happens when you turn in capitalism. And redneck americans ''oh yes bush likes jesus so I am goin to vote for him yes yes''. Rebublican motherfuckers. And ''democrats'' of usa ain't any better. Diz time I hope Obama wins tho he is rebublican.
So Americans are fuked up either way. Southren shitholes who thinks war is solution for everything must be torcherd and skinned. And LA GAYS must be burnt.
sry for writing so poorly I had something...[/b]

Most ignorant comment ever.