one more thing, its not "typical priv server player", its "typical ko player" cause 99% of the priv servers have played USKO for most of their ko life.
This is a discussion on Degano Productions: USKO vs PSKO - Short Video - 3v3 & 1v1 within the Media forums, part of the Knight Online (ko4life.com) category; Originally Posted by Adi
It's not proving that it's a waste of time / money, it proves that the typical ...
one more thing, its not "typical priv server player", its "typical ko player" cause 99% of the priv servers have played USKO for most of their ko life.
Well, 1st of all i don't wanna get involved in any drama but since Adi asked for honest opinions in his previous comment here you go for 1, that answer some of those listed questions aswell.:
About the whole USKO - PSKO skill argument in general: -Let's face it, ~90% of players suck balls, let it be usko or private servers, non is better than the other it's pointless to bitch about which1 is better, both got gg players and hella sux aswell and plenty of ppl playing both too.
A little about the Trolololo guy vs other guy's drama: (ps.: no idea about the connection between you guys, i mean if it's Adi = trololo or any of that 3, or you are just being a friend / whatever who edited the movie abit)
Couldn't care less what was happening between that 2 before, what i saw from the P0lemik / Trololo guy for the first time was this:
-Appearing on ApexKO's pvp beta. Posting a "clan vs movie" at apex's forum with the title like: "USKO players vs xxx clan" (a clan that was kinda hated by that community aswell). Beside the video itself, there was 1 more line in OP's 1st comment which was this:. Now no offence, but appearing at a server's forum you don't normally play and saying such a thing to begin with is totally unnecessary, kinda childish / retarded and obviously was trying to pick up a fight for no reason."ps: i didnt made any edit also, to lazy to make edit for psko players xD"
-Then, 2nd time i saw the guy was while i logged the server to have some vs with a friend of mine's whom i didn't see for years and the pvp beta was a good opportunity for some bitching due to every1 having the same stuffs. Trololo / 3-4-5 of his clannie were around the arenas that time having a flamewar / dispute with some1, idk don't rly remember / care nvm it tbh, they were there, talking with some1. Then jumping in arena, disturb the vses, duff us / ppl around, stunn and shits like that while ego whoring on all chat withkinda attitude. [An achivement, deserves to be proud of] (Later on happend to vs [1v1] with the dude, was acting normally then and certainly wasn't bad, tho so far i remember i menaged to win all of them)"1v1,2v2,3v3,4v4,5v5.... etc anybody, anywhere, we are so cool"
So ye, despite not knowing the Dylan guy, nor the other dude, according to the mentioned things i witnessed doubt it's only 1 of them responsible for the whole pointless flamewar.
To the did you improve during the last x time at private servers question:
Ye, you can actually improve alot, especially at pure PK servers where every1 have exactly the same stuffs and you start to think how to take your VS skills to the absolute perfectness (in sin case, which skill to start, drain timing, skill order, mana balance, how to deal the most R dmgs etc etc). It's way easier to discover your mistakes there, especially on 70- servers compared to USKO where there are barely 2 guy with the same gear, as well as having CP, smaller pots, bigger pots, duration pots and whatnot. You can get the basics to perfection (both, pk and vs wise) way better at the mentioned servers then it's easier to convert it to CP, usko style.
Was about to reflect on more things, but Razor and Stonecold pretty much said the rest already so it would be pointless.
But think about it this way, if you're playing in USKO you don't necessarily have to play hardcore or anything like that.
Look at the bright side, you wouldn't have to bother starting over again and again. You could simply login, have your KO activity whenever you want it and log off..
Especially now, with this OTP, none who have OTP activated got hacked so far so technically you wouldn't even have to keep an eye on your character, although I think it's recommend to check on it once in awhile.
But well, why do we continue playing virtual games? because it's entertaining and sometimes even exciting and we like this feeling, don't we?
By saying "we", what do you mean exactly? you and your group or talking about the entire private server players community?
And in the matter of skills, like I said in many different topics.. I am not a private server player, therefore I might not be aware about what is EXACTLY happening in every single private server
but just based on opinions of players that I know who used to play private servers/still do but also played/playing usko, USKO players in general are far more experienced when it comes to PK.
In USKO or PSKO, you would have trash players and also good players but like I said above, based on opinions of players that used/still playing private servers but also played/playing USKO.. USKO's players in general are more experienced about PVP.
Now don't take me the wrong way, I am not saying PSKO players are all bad, I don't want to even imply such a thing. I believe there are some great players there but based on what I heard and saw, the "greatest" usko players would make the "greatest" psko players look like a joke in a fair fight.
But well, that is my opinion, some people might disagree.. some people might agree.
2. I am not TROLOLOLO.
3. Both sides are responsible for this flame war, one side for starting it and another for giving the other side the attention to continue it.
I can't say I know this Dylan dude as good as his clannies does, but based on the conversations I had with him and players that used to play with him.. he's just full of himself while he's nothing special.. I would even say, a joke.
First few times I saw him commenting on gamers4life related to this subject (usko vs psko), I got the impression that he's one of the "best" players for the PSKO english speaking players, but then I saw in my own eyes how "amazing he is".
4. I honestly couldn't careless about 1v1, I think actual PVP (2v2-3v3-4v4-5v5-6v6-7v7-8v8) can prove one side being better than another (skill wise) but not 1v1.
Think about it this way, let's say I have a computer worth 6k $ and we are both playing in a private server that is hosted in Israel(for an example, since I am from IL), while you live in the US and your computer worth let's say.. 2k usd?
Unless I suck really bad, I should be destroying you in a 1v1. Especially when our items are equal.
What I am saying is, you can't consider someone as an amazing player based on a 1v1, connection and FPS means a lot in a 1v1.
Connection means a lot in a normal pk as well but it wouldn't be as critical.
This is the main reason, USKO's non-turkish speaking players, started to take turkish players more seriously after the game started to be hosted in Turkey even in normal PK.. after that happened, we all was surprised of their actual skills.
I don't know if you know but take this as another example, around Europe and US.. the average internet connection is what.. 50/100mbits download and about 10mbits upload? and of curse the connection is great to other countries,
in Turkey, it's not like that, their connection is terrible.. if NTTGame ever decided to move the game to a different location outside Turkey, even if it would be close to Turkey.. their connection would simply be bad and you would see many of the good players becoming just a "ok players".
Don't take me the wrong way, 1v1 do require skills like you said, you have to know what to do and when exactly.. else you might lose but like I said, FPS and connection means a lot in any game, I believe in KO it's critical because even a 1 second delay may screw you during PK.
By we I meant my group and majority of the other priv server players.
You or your info givers believing that USKO players are FAR more experienced doesn't even make sense to me considering many people that play private servers have spent probably the same amount of time playing USKO as you and your group of current USKO players. Playing 1 server for your entire ko life and fighting against the same exact casuals does not give experience. You might need to go out of your comfort zone and try different servers where you compete against different players to test your experience. I would understand if USKO actually had 10mil players compared priv servers 100k, however, in this case, there are several priv servers who double the most active USKO servers player base and the gameplay is similar as well so I don't get how current USKO players are somehow more experienced. Btw, can you name the people who told you these things about priv server players cause I wanna see who these experienced people are...
Btw, no idea who this Dylan guy. Also, if we all started making videos whenever a random said "I'm the best and you suck", these forums would be full of stupid little videos. Calm your ego, if you think you are the best then making a video or even responding to the pm wont be necessary.
For some people it's not a problem, for some it is.. for some it becomes a problem only once they realize they been playing for the last year(s) in private servers only and all they did was starting over and over every single time.
Fyi, I did play in other servers before the server I am playing right now(C-West which is Gordion now) and even after, I did try few other USKO servers and skills wise, I never found anything that really shocked me in other servers, yes, I could find here and there very good players but nothing too surprising.
Those other servers I played, I admit, I never had my own account there because I simply didn't want to start over, I played on friend's accounts mainly but that didn't last too long, the english community in those servers wasn't too big so I simply stopped playing there and although I can probably get along with most Turkish speaking players, speaking of Turkish players, two of the characters I played on during the last 1-2years in different servers was owned by Turkish players, the characters in all cases were fully geared-or at least fully geared for that time.
However, I still rather play with players that capable of speaking English(whether they're Turkish, European, American or whatsoever), therefore.. switching server never really crossed my mind.
-About the players that told me that,
well there are at least 10 of them, I personally won't mention their names.
If they decide commenting on this topic and saying exactly what they told me, it's their choice but this is their story to tell, not mine.
I know for a fact some of them are using g4l but few of them isn't.
You yourself probably seen many english speaking players in ko which isn't using g4l so it's not really surprising.
Well, I honestly couldn't careless about what this guy says.. it has nothing to do with my ego the video was made for entertainment only and like I said, perhaps I could put some sense out there for all the private server players (or at least not the casual ones).
I guess you don't know the guy because you simply wasn't around for the last year(or two?) but I guess you can go back and read his posts if you really give a damn about who he is.
Also, I have been around playing priv servers for the last 2 years but I just stopped reading ko4life. And screw going back and trying to figure that out... Way too much work.
Old servers are well established. The NP ranks are pretty much set in stone, same with the 'good' players. What's the point of playing a server where no matter how much you try, you won't catch the oldest players' rank or items?
New servers are competitive. Competitive is fun! A huge influx of players, perhaps known names, all competing in unison to reach the top after starting from an equal ground. Who cares if it only lasts a few months? Hell yes. Like I said before, I'd rather have a huge burst of fun over 2-3 months than mediocre entertainment over years.
Unfortunately NTT managed to fuck up USKO's new releases with those p2w items too, so there's that too.
It's not just about the need of logging in to play some KO for the hell of it, you gotta make sure that it's actually fun. KO without the competitive side is nothing more than an extremely poor and limited mmo experience, I don't need to rely on KO to get my mmo quota.
Hm, what a joke.
No clue who was the priest and the warrior but it doesn't matter anymore. I would like you to challenge me on 2 VS 2 / 3 VS 3 / 8 VS 8.
Anytime I'm ready. and if you wanna bet on this I up and I don't mind to send the money to razor or to any other 'Moderator' before the VS.
Pm me so we can make a time to do the vs so it works for both of us.
I will add this even it doesn't matter for me, as I said already I'm ready whenever you ready.
So I haven't play priest over 1 year and half, so I'm down for 2VS / 3VS3 / 8VS8 anytime.
I Restarted on athena fresh, just over year ago. I now have a Border M symbol with 2.6m nps. and full+10/3
Obviously i bought the items. But i gained my nps. So your thing about not catching them is not true.
People donate National points now a days.
People seem to have this conspiracy that USko is not active. I don't know what they're smoking
Good luck thanks.
I personally don't see why do you even care about NP but like I said you can of course catch up.
I am not gonna lie, if we're talking about one of the oldest servers then yes, catching up without spending money might take you a year or so but like I said, usually.
Most of the english spekaing private server players, are spending money on the private servers they're playing so what's so different about USKO? why can't they spend money there too?
About you specifically, I don't know if you are spending money or not but like 'fuckthisgame' said, this is a classic case of getting what you're paying for.
Second, New servers are indeed very fun and about competitivity there, well I didn't find any of the newest servers more competitive than the oldest servers.
Yes, the competition there is different than new servers but believe me oldest servers can be very competitive, else why would I bother playing it?
About P2W, yeah about that I completely agree but keep in mind that those weapons isn't a big deal in the oldest servers which is one more reason why I rather play a old server instead of a new one, some people actually like the fact they can be full +7/8's within few days.
Like you probably know yourself, there are many MMO games out there, most of them may get more interesting than KO when it comes to the PVE side but PVP, ko is one of a kind I believe we could all agree on that. But I am seriously asking if it wasn't competitive anymore, how come most (if not all) of USKO players would say that it's competitive and very fun, doesn't matter which server you play?
A serious question, did you actually play any of the old servers after c-west's days? or just tried the new ones and private servers?
Unless of course you come to USKO, that's a different story.
I personally would come and make you look like a joke, pick a server:
Gordion or Resurrection.
Any day, any time.
You may say the priest in video was a joke but keep in mind that he had the balls to come and vs.
Unlike you, according to Dylan you were suppose to show up the very next week to replace this priest but for some reason you simply didn't show up or didn't want to vs. (I really don't care which of two is right..)
P.S what does this video suppose to mean? what are you trying to show exactly? 5min of you killing some trash clan? lol.
Either way, like I said.. Gordion / Resurrection. Any time, any day, any type of vs.. you name it (1v1 2v2 3v3 4v4 5v5 6v6 6v8 7v8 7v7 8v8).
You don't necessarily have to play your own account, if you manage to get someone's account to log on, that could also work.
@adi, The last time I played official KO was in 2012, as an archer that I leveled myself in Europa (with the level jump event). Got that to 80, sold it because I wasn't having fun, and that was it.
The only thing i dislike here is the whole USKO vs PSKO thing,how can YOU speak for USKO,and how can DYLAN speak for PSKO?
There are better players in USKO than you,there are better players on PSKO than Dylan which from what i've seen is obvious in both examples.
I'll give the music a 10/10 entertaining.