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MS+9 // II+9 // HB+8 // Lugias+8-Hanguk+8

This is a discussion on MS+9 // II+9 // HB+8 // Lugias+8-Hanguk+8 within the Class Questions and Tips forums, part of the Game Questions & Tips category; would take some ideas from experienced warriors - it would used in ardream so not +60-...
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    Default MS+9 // II+9 // HB+8 // Lugias+8-Hanguk+8

    would take some ideas from experienced warriors -
    it would used in ardream so not +60-

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    Yo ii +9, I know you the best choice and ima let you finish, but thing is in your signature as a scammer and this will be the most epic thread of all time!
    -Kanye

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    he scammed a +9md

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    Don't lie.

    Anyway, depends on server. Older servers, I would say MS+9. Newer servers, II+9. Newer servers have less club defenses.

    Quote Originally Posted by CkkJl2 View Post
    Yo ii +9, I know you the best choice and ima let you finish, but thing is in your signature as a scammer and this will be the most epic thread of all time!
    -Kanye
    lmfao, I didnt get that at first.... then i read "-kanye". yeah. true story.

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    If I could choice between all these weapons I'd take the ms +9 actually.
    II+9 is the most useless weapon for a warrior no matter which pk zone, I personally would even use a hb +8 instead. I've tried out all of em...
    ms9, ii9, hb8, avedon8, lugias+9rev with graham+13 rev and rappy 9.

    rappy9>ms9 and avedon8 almost same>hb8>dual wield>ii9

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    if it's so i would buy a ms
    but why are u thinking so, ii' got almost a high attack power and its club?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexus View Post
    if it's so i would buy a ms
    but why are u thinking so, ii' got almost a high attack power and its club?
    fact is that ms+9 doing more dmg than ii+9, had both of em as a ardream and rlb warrior.

    MS+9:
    + has a faster combo (no need to argue about that...)
    + more dmg (but only coz there is less ppl with sword defence)
    + decent combo (always continuous dmg's not much fails while tracking ur enemy)
    - low range

    II+9:
    + a bit more range than a ms/avedon
    +/- almost same dmg
    - fails often with dmg's while tracking ur enemy
    - to expensive

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    Quote Originally Posted by iNuke View Post
    fact is that ms+9 doing more dmg than ii+9, had both of em as a ardream and rlb warrior.

    MS+9:
    1+ has a faster combo (no need to argue about that...)
    2+ more dmg (but only coz there is less ppl with sword defence)
    3+ decent combo (always continuous dmg's not much fails while tracking ur enemy)
    - low range

    II+9:
    + a bit more range than a ms/avedon
    +/- almost same dmg
    - fails often with dmg's while tracking ur enemy
    - to expensive

    "no need to argue about that"
    Let's do so anyways.
    I've also used all these weapons, hell I've used even better weapons. (SS +9, duals 9/10, HB 9's and such)


    "MS+9:
    1+ has a faster combo (no need to argue about that...)
    2+ more dmg (but only coz there is less ppl with sword defence)
    3+ decent combo (always continuous dmg's not much fails while tracking ur enemy)
    - low range"

    Points:
    1+ Faster combo? You sure? Like.. REALLY sure about that?
    2+ More damage? How could it do more damage seeing that:
    a) It has more attack power.
    b) The most common and best shield for Ardream (Dread shield) has no sword AND club defence. <---- "but only coz there is less ppl with sword defence"
    3+ MS and II are not uniques so basically they're in the same amount of fail rate. Also you are basing yourself off only on that you can combo better on swords because the other two aren't really facts.
    - Yes it does have low range.



    "II+9:
    + a bit more range than a ms/avedon
    +/- almost same dmg
    - fails often with dmg's while tracking ur enemy
    - to expensive"


    + Ah, nothing wrong with that this is actually an improvement over the MS right?
    + How so? Warriors in DCZ do low damage because of their skill really and when you look at it it's not really low at all. Point being 191 AP does not compare to 198 and range.
    - Wouldn't that mean that it would also fail while tanking? You made no sense, the game doesn't know you're chasing someone and says "oh, let's fail some skills"
    - This one is true, but if he can afford it he should get it.


    Fact, II is better but it costs more so if you can afford it, get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CkkJl2 View Post
    "no need to argue about that"
    Let's do so anyways.
    I've also used all these weapons, hell I've used even better weapons. (SS +9, duals 9/10, HB 9's and such)


    "MS+9:
    1+ has a faster combo (no need to argue about that...)
    2+ more dmg (but only coz there is less ppl with sword defence)
    3+ decent combo (always continuous dmg's not much fails while tracking ur enemy)
    - low range"

    Points:
    1+ Faster combo? You sure? Like.. REALLY sure about that?
    2+ More damage? How could it do more damage seeing that:
    a) It has more attack power.
    b) The most common and best shield for Ardream (Dread shield) has no sword AND club defence. <---- "but only coz there is less ppl with sword defence"
    3+ MS and II are not uniques so basically they're in the same amount of fail rate. Also you are basing yourself off only on that you can combo better on swords because the other two aren't really facts.
    - Yes it does have low range.



    "II+9:
    + a bit more range than a ms/avedon
    +/- almost same dmg
    - fails often with dmg's while tracking ur enemy
    - to expensive"


    + Ah, nothing wrong with that this is actually an improvement over the MS right?
    + How so? Warriors in DCZ do low damage because of their skill really and when you look at it it's not really low at all. Point being 191 AP does not compare to 198 and range.
    - Wouldn't that mean that it would also fail while tanking? You made no sense, the game doesn't know you're chasing someone and says "oh, let's fail some skills"
    - This one is true, but if he can afford it he should get it.


    Fact, II is better but it costs more so if you can afford it, get it.
    what would you prefer as a dcz warrior,
    you dont have to choose this, if better wepon propose .

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    Well, personally for me I've used these weapons in DCZ
    II +14 rb
    MS +9
    Giga +9
    Avedon +9
    Toto/SOMW +9 / Hanguk +8 (Too hard to get a 9)
    HB +9
    Did use a raptor +13 rb with FP set 9 too

    I loved the raptor because well, most of the times I didn't need the slowing I found on the HB and duals because with a good pk party they would die quicker than that. Plus it was fully AP whore'd so I guess it depends on your gear really.
    Ok now for preference, I found the HB very good for damage of course but all those weapons did good damage, I loved it because it slowed anyone, same for duals but duals are IMO the best weapons out there.

    So I'd get (This is my opinion)
    1) Duals +9
    2) HB +9
    3) Raptor +9, II +9. (Yes raptor is in here because really, if your uniques are as badass as your weapon, DS's don't mean shit.)
    The axes weren't really the shit.. avedon was good but not really worth the price to waste on DCZ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CkkJl2 View Post
    "no need to argue about that"
    Let's do so anyways.
    I've also used all these weapons, hell I've used even better weapons. (SS +9, duals 9/10, HB 9's and such)


    "MS+9:
    1+ has a faster combo (no need to argue about that...)
    2+ more dmg (but only coz there is less ppl with sword defence)
    3+ decent combo (always continuous dmg's not much fails while tracking ur enemy)
    - low range"

    Points:
    1+ Faster combo? You sure? Like.. REALLY sure about that? its proven that swords r doing faster combo, at least if u know how to handle with them
    2+ More damage? How could it do more damage seeing that:
    a) It has more attack power. its a sword so, u cant compare the attack power of a sword with a club
    b) The most common and best shield for Ardream (Dread shield) has no sword AND club defence. <---- "but only coz there is less ppl with sword defence" ever thought about the most frequent used belt -> old-skele belt plus the 90% sins which using a CHD...which accidentally has club def and the skele belt doesnt have even any sword def.
    3+ MS and II are not uniques so basically they're in the same amount of fail rate. Also you are basing yourself off only on that you can combo better on swords because the other two aren't really facts. Just compare the price of a ii +8 and a ms +8 and u will notice the diff value, same should be with +9 according to my experience at least
    - Yes it does have low range.



    "II+9:
    + a bit more range than a ms/avedon
    +/- almost same dmg
    - fails often with dmg's while tracking ur enemy
    - to expensive"


    + Ah, nothing wrong with that this is actually an improvement over the MS right?
    + How so? Warriors in DCZ do low damage because of their skill really and when you look at it it's not really low at all. Point being 191 AP does not compare to 198 and range.
    - Wouldn't that mean that it would also fail while tanking? You made no sense, the game doesn't know you're chasing someone and says "oh, let's fail some skills"
    - This one is true, but if he can afford it he should get it.


    Fact, II is better but it costs more so if you can afford it, get it.
    Oh, well I better should keep those experience for myself, since ppl getting me wrong...

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    in a old server, where 25dd'S are in market i would go for
    raptor+9 and fp+10s with 25dd helmet
    but in carnac west there are no 25dd's and i cant wear the chitindd15 with +9fp
    if i want to use the raptor in dcz.
    hb is a asset, if i buy hb, i cant buy uniques +2..
    and duals are not the best,from voice of experienced warriors, because duals means dual anti defs.!

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    There is still a option to going ap whore, i've made pretty good job with that build. Even though I had less def... I could tank sh!t tons of ppl in dcz.

    rappy 9
    fp set 9
    fov's +3
    we's+3
    iset + wp+3/sos+2+3

    and u gonna be a BEAST.

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    i will pm u later,
    does anybody know the value of
    ms+9
    ii+9 and
    raptor+9

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    I just know that rappy 9 worth 700-800 usd. no idea about the others.

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