Apex Forever | LIGHT-FARM | UNIQUE CONCEPT

[Kallop]

Oh, alright. But then again, is Genie really a problem in this case ? I'm not sure if auto loot fairies or pets do exist here, but if they do then how's that different from a mouse/keyboard macro ?

Genie and auto-loot enable people to earn money and items without actually playing the game. This directly devalues actually playing the game (which should be a really important thing for any game dev), because why would you sit at your computer doing something that can be done automatically, while you simply do something else? Like manual farming has to be 2-3 times more efficient than genie farming in order for genie and auto-loot to be warranted. Then again, you can simply not have auto-loot, which would've already fixed the issue. If people want to genie for XP, then let them, but letting people AFK farm 18+ hours a day and get essentially free money isn't the way to do it.

People have to be rewarded for playing the game in some form. I know a lot of players think that it's unfair when nolifers or babashoppers get a massive lead in items/levels, but rewarding not playing the game is not the correct way to address that. If you can only play the game 2-3h a day, then you should accept the fact that you cannot be as geared or compete for NPs with a guy who plays 16+ hours a day. There has to be a certain level of standards set for the players, which allows people with busier lives to enjoy the game, while also rewarding players for actually spending time farming and staying organized. ApexKO was extremely casual friendly, while also managing to somehow make it incredibly difficult for new players to catch up. Obtaining a +6 shell set and a +7 weapon(s) was guaranteed, as long as you did your dailies and set up a genie to farm. Old uniques were expensive in the beginning, which gave active players a slight edge, but eventually all uniques became common and everybody had a set of uniques for pretty much no investment.

Sigh, I'll leave it at that. Tl;dr is that balancing games around mechanics that reward NOT PLAYING THE GAME are fucking stupid. Even if the server was hard-farm, with genie and auto loot it basically becomes a glorified light-farm PK server where your efforts become meaningless and a waste of time.

[Decerto]

I never played on this server so I dont know whats the drama about, but people have to realize that genie is just a massive CASH GRAB. Genie is literally KOXP made legal. I dont understand how server owners fail to see that but im guessing when people are ready to throw thousands of dollars at you for it, maybe id do the same. Imagine going back to 2007,2008 and telling people that you have an addon ingame that lets you afk farm/exp,pot,town,repair,whatever LEGALLY ? Youd probably get insta banned and laughed at. Now go back to today where 99% of the players are doing literally that.

[david4244]

That's not a server issue, that's a community issue. People care way too much about winning 8v8s and posting their next video than they do having fun. If they don't have the perfect party composition to PK they don't even bother, and even when they do, all PK is about is getting yourself into a situation which maximises your chances of winning said 8v8. Boring.

100% agree. Sad and pathetic at the same time. Although can't blame them sometimes, given how you are basicly forced to have big parties nowadays ( pvp races , monthly kill quest , clan bonuses, Np gain only 50% less in a full party than soloing, ratios should be like 5x more rewarding for solo compared to full parties as you can kill way less alone)
So ye, you can have fun, gg actions in small parties / not ideal setups, killing, dieing, having 20 kills, or you can wait in town for 1 hour (making cz inactive) until you get a full pt, pt cure, evertything amd steamroll ppl, get way more kill, more np, more drops than ppl trying it in smaller parties)





As for the server problems, agreed with the guys above aswell. Aside from the bad communications and activity / decisions, GENIE + Auto loot and similarly good farms outside cz as inside (now it's slightly more cz oriented but still) is by far the worst thing here.

Like what can you do alone with 1 pc, no genie?
Farm bus, get like 30m an hour at very very MAX , getting raided and shit. It's better to not farm at all and just go to events , collection races and hope to get smth good out of them.
Not 1 of my friends got frustrated and quited after a while cuz they simply couldn't progress with 1 pc w/o donating. Played day after day and the sc, pot etc costs almost took away their income.

Meanwhile not 1 dude farming with 10+ chars, genieing 24/7 (and it's not exaggrating, i know more dude, who is doing this and milking the server), getting shittons of money from eslant dks, previously abyss, goblins etc or now with dark mitril fragments, sure the latter one is in cz, but at a pretty far location where ppl not bother much going there.

And don't get me wrong, you don't have to put everything to bowl, but it's not 2005, people having virtual machines and access to shitload of PCs, if you are letting them using genie and autoloot with 10+ chars nonstop and setting up the rates accordingly then they are still making really good money, but players, playing 1 char on 1 pc won't get anything.


And you can't fix it w/o disabling auto loot or genie. Cuz let's say you are making solo farming , party farming better. Especially the party one, imagine doing smth in a 8 men party is useful, which is nothing atm btw (you are only 1 of the 8 guys).

Sounds good? Now imagine you are the multiclient guy, farming the same shit with genie, with your own 8 character undisturbed and getting all the drop, kinda insane isn't it?


And again, menaging more pc / char should be rewarding aswell if you are actually doing it urself, caring about it, checking them etc, not just letting ur 8 pc at eslant genieing while you are at work, etc then getting home hours later, you are rich, while others worked their ass off in cz, for 40m coin. Cuz this is what happening atm.

[Sephiroth]

just thought i'd come by to have a look and see whats changed, which by the looks of it nothing, i dedicated my days into playing the first month, after realizing that although the files were perfect, the database had been done poorly, the team behind it were just ignorant and lazy, although i had / have the upmost respect for aest and two (two for all hes done for the priv scene.) i left, honestly a good product doesn't make good without good management, all i'll say is that it's a shame because for me this was the last opportunity i wanted to give to a KO server private or official and this was worse then an official.

[Ching]

its just what i dont understand is why they didnt hire active gms, even another type of admin that was more active, pay them (i dont think money was an issue) because they clearly made a shit ton of money, you could have paid them like 100$ a month for an active gm and thats nothing considering you made probably over 50k on this launch.

[retail]

I dont understand why people keep saying they have such a good client?? There has been multiple CSW bugs. Skills are bugged, 1/10 party cure/Heal goes through and nothing happends. (Never seen on other server yet they claim its there even on USKO)
There has been hours of rollbacks. Duping was a thing in the beginning of the server and was flooded with over 100+ gbs and nothing could be done about it because it had been going on for weeks and the GBs were split all over the server.
Genie is completely outdated from 2014 compared to the Turk servers were the Genie is working almost better than manual.
The overall Database is defnitely not even on my top 10 list.
What is so good with this client?
To summ it up this server is probably nothing more then just the hype that was around it.

[Josh]

its just what i dont understand is why they didnt hire active gms, even another type of admin that was more active, pay them (i dont think money was an issue) because they clearly made a shit ton of money, you could have paid them like 100$ a month for an active gm and thats nothing considering you made probably over 50k on this launch.

I've had shits more useful than Sierra and the rest of their gms

but I don't think it's their fault, they're given literally no power at all other than to DC people and maybe ban idk? They're so afraid to give anyone power on the server that there is literally no point of a GM being on, and I assume they knew that and thats why they were never on

[razor]

All these complaints, you can't help but wonder what creative ways these two will come up with to tell us that we're all retarded and we didn't understand their vision.

Can't wait for the snarky comebacks.

[Ching]

All these complaints, you can't help but wonder what creative ways these two will come up with to tell us that we're all retarded and we didn't understand their vision.

Can't wait for the snarky comebacks.

Agreed, theres literaly no excuse on how the server was managed anything they say will just be an excuse tbh. Too bad cause i really wanted to see it last longer

I've had shits more useful than Sierra and the rest of their gms

but I don't think it's their fault, they're given literally no power at all other than to DC people and maybe ban idk? They're so afraid to give anyone power on the server that there is literally no point of a GM being on, and I assume they knew that and thats why they were never on

Its not just here tho, nowadays on every server gms are useless, all they can do is answer questions, dc and ban people, they cant do anything with peoples feed back, its all on asteries and twostars

[Decerto]

All these complaints, you can't help but wonder what creative ways these two will come up with to tell us that we're all retarded and we didn't understand their vision.

Can't wait for the snarky comebacks.

LMAO thats twostars right there ;D

[nickos3]

Agreed, theres literaly no excuse on how the server was managed anything they say will just be an excuse tbh. Too bad cause i really wanted to see it last longer


Its not just here tho, nowadays on every server gms are useless, all they can do is answer questions, dc and ban people, they cant do anything with peoples feed back, its all on asteries and twostars

GMs should not be allowed to DC players either. The only job they should do is to reply PMs, to ban obvious cheaters and to mute/jail the rulebreaker. But the GMs on ApexKO, based on some information that I have, are having more freedom and they are even allowed to start Kill the GM events.

Also (again based on some information), there are no more genie and economy issues for the last couple of months so I assume that all of you quitted looong time ago ?

Not sure why you would like to leave feedback via in-game PMs to a GM. Feedback, Suggestions and any kind of Reports should be posted all in one place. Imagine people doing this via in-game PMs, Forums, Discord, Skype, Facebook etc. That's a mess.
I don't know how ApexKO staff handles all this stuff but Forums is the best possible answer.

[david4244]

Genie is definitely an issue still. My comment slightly above reflect the current situation. Farming alone manually doesn't worth it at all. Or barely (if you are lucky with the super shell fragments, but for example i farmed them for 4 hours last time, got 0 fragment [1 fragment worth 50m-60m only])

While genie farmer all over the map still doing way more money with multi chars 24 /7 at farm spots with genie + macro.


The collection races etc are good. But there is really barely anything to farm actively that worth it. I am making more money by cometing collection races and exchanging pk chests compared to whenever i actually try to farm. (Manually that is, aside from that i'm genieing with 2 chars at eslant too, cuz i gotta make money somehow, but it's pretty said that i'm making more money there, than i do on my active character)

(But the farming collection races are pretty easy to complete aswell which is somewhat oke, but also making it easily possible for the multi account users to complete them with all of their characters. When u see a mage running to kill the mobs and killing 7x afk dude, idk it's kinda a suxy feeling )


But anyway as long as genie exist it can't be solved no matter what they do so i will just live with it and genieing myself. (Or rather auto loot. Genie would be somewhat fine, but auto loot + genie is overkill and killing every manual farm)

[Kallop]

GMs should not be allowed to DC players either. The only job they should do is to reply PMs, to ban obvious cheaters and to mute/jail the rulebreaker. But the GMs on ApexKO, based on some information that I have, are having more freedom and they are even allowed to start Kill the GM events.

Also (again based on some information), there are no more genie and economy issues for the last couple of months so I assume that all of you quitted looong time ago ?

Not sure why you would like to leave feedback via in-game PMs to a GM. Feedback, Suggestions and any kind of Reports should be posted all in one place. Imagine people doing this via in-game PMs, Forums, Discord, Skype, Facebook etc. That's a mess.
I don't know how ApexKO staff handles all this stuff but Forums is the best possible answer.

The genie issues persist. We played since day 1 for 3 months and pretty much sold out 2 weeks ago. Not sure why you're trying to defend a server that you're not affiliated with?

[nickos3]

The genie issues persist. We played since day 1 for 3 months and pretty much sold out 2 weeks ago. Not sure why you're trying to defend a server that you're not affiliated with?

Not defending anything or anyone, I'm just trying to figure out why those who are still playing are having different opinion than those who are posting negative stuff on this forum.

[david4244]

Well the ppl still playing and the ones (including myself) whom aren't really the hardcore base, fighting for ultima isi, being active as fuck etc. They will pretty much play no matter what as long as the server is decent and has some nice pk. (It still has great pks , especially during eu nights and mornings)

So ye, you will obviously see more flaming from the server hoppers and from the big / active clans as they take things more serious than the ones whom are only looking for a long term server and will showcase their opinion less.

But it doesn't change thr fact that people still struggle to farm w/o genie and auto loot, and that's pretty much the only way to create a decent income atm.