This is a discussion on ClimaxKO (Under Development) within the Private Servers forums, part of the Knight Online (ko4life.com) category; Originally Posted by ZeroH
So question is what to do here... ZweiSterne explained everything to me but what i think ...
You try putting up with his crap, doing everything he asks of you, no matter how trivial (albeit begrudgingly), getting paid for it and then months later, just because he's paranoid delusional and has thus started yet another tirade against everyone, he charges you back.
That's months wasted.
Bear in mind they first contacted me in November (possibly late October?) of 2013 regarding this, convincing me to sell my stuff to them (as I hadn't for years, due to ridiculous KO drama like this) and write up (by which I mean code) some stuff for them.
Back then, I never agreed because of Dean (whom I barely knew), I agreed because of Rick (whom I knew quite a bit more). I figured if any server'd work out without any of this crap, it'd be theirs. Guess not, and who's hand was that by? Dean's.
Want to know a funny story about your good friend Dean? Months back, before the server had started, he had an argument (i.e. simple misunderstanding, which blew up into something insane because he gets so extremely paranoid delusional) with Rick.
This wasn't the first, and it wasn't the last, but as it always did, he'd go batshit crazy and threaten to end the server (why? because he's in control. if there's anything that'll teach us, it's killing the server because we're absolutely dependent on that!).
Regardless, here's me trying to be helpful (as I'm in the middle of playing a game, i.e. not instant responses) trying to help him see that there's no real problem at all, and he should really just step back, cool down and re-read what was said again and see that Rick wasn't really saying whatever he thought he was saying that time (I still have Skype logs I should dig up, really. It's quite entertaining in retrospect.).
Was fine, until he realised I wasn't replying as instantly as he'd like, so then he turned on me as well. You can still see the outcome of that in his old Skype statuses (sort of, the last one I can see right now is "Built4CZ . oh i am not in a mood now don't piss me off", though if you can still see the ones before that, he's referring to me [which AFAIK he points out in a later status]).
It was after that, I learned that there was absolutely no point in dealing with him, so from then on I dealt almost exclusively with Rick (didn't want to set him off again, which just about saying anything was prone to do).
When Rick says there was a load of drama with Dean, he really means it. It's draining is what it is.
While you may not blame Dean for committing fraud, I on the other hand don't blame Rick for finally cutting him loose.
The guy really, seriously is in need of help...
Rick didn't steal anything. Rick's not even using the same files.
I didn't want my months of work going to waste. People want to play, Dean didn't want to run the server, Rick did but without Dean's crap, I chose to continue supporting Rick with my work.
He's not scamming anyone, it's not "unfair". What's unfair is Dean causing this drama in the first place, killing the server, and then committing fraud to steal back money he paid for our work.
That's unfair, and there's no such "resolutions" to be found when the guy decides to steal from us.
Nobody wants to work with him. I don't. Rick doesn't.
It's complete BS, and it's his own fault.
Even without Rick he could have continued the server with someone else who didn't yet know what Dean's like.
Instead, he chose to end it all.
The only one he should be blaming is himself.
I really don't see the whole problem here, twostars has full copyright to the files as he did them himself. He is giving me PERMISSION to use them so I am in no way a scammer. When someone makes their own stuff, they can choose who pays for what and who gets to use it out of generosity.
I'll stop here you don't and won't get the point of what i'm trying to say. Good luck with your server i hope it will workout for you this time.
If dean payed for the files,it doesnt matter if jesus christ budha mohmammad bruce ali gave you permission,he got every right to charge back.If he really did pay 500$ for those files and then you kicked him,I would do the same,insta chargeback.
Dean Dean Dean......... all of you use his name like he was a bait, lol.
If AfterMath wasn't paying for the files, BigDuddle 'dnt have 'em either. (I ignore "but twostars, the creator of the files, gave to BigDuddle the right to use 'em." If he really wanted this to happen (to give 'em the right for using the files for free), he 'd give the files for free without AfterMath (or somebody else) paying for those, at all)
Since AfterMath paid for the files, he deserves to have 'em back.
Since he doesn't have 'em, the money should be returned to him, at least.
Edit: I just realized you have the weirdest sense of "badass-ness" that I've run in to so far. All I'm saying is Dean already found a solution for his own problems and since he needs help (That's what I heard?) I'd kindly offer him some. Owning a couple guns and a set of kitchen knives doesn't make anybody special though.
Last edited by Kallop; 05-02-2014 at 12:50 PM.
And as for client stuff, he has that too. I sent that to him ages back. AFAIK Rick was sent it afterwards, even. >_<
If he's lost it, it's hardly my fault, but it's not something I'm remotely fussed about at this point in time anymore, obviously.
Even if he did chargeback we all know TwoStars will not lose any money at all since well Dean is retarded and even if he wanted to win he couldn't.
Once again don't take any of my replays/statements offensive.
~To sum up everything people want to say is that without Dean you wouldn't even come near to the position you're in today,especialy you wouldn't
have to cope with this drama,you wouldn't be able to do all the work on the VPS which Dean bought for you guys and you couldn't have obtained this files
so regardless of how much you hate Dean he did help you a lot. We all know he is most likely mentally ill or something so don't worry about that