Psy gives career advice.

[Psy]

Hey all,

I'd lend my other thread time for this issue, but I believe this deserves a thread of its own.

Tell me what you want to be and a story from your life that you think is relevant to your career choice. Please don't try to sneak in pornstar or assassin jobs (you can google "how to become a pornstar" for this or apply for a job in the military and make choices that will lead to your assassin dream job). I'm here to help the average forum-goer organically make strong choices about their life. Tell me what you want to do, and I'll try to help you make those baby steps toward starting your career.

I will also evaluate your life if this is what you want.


Recommended reading:
The Artists Way by Julia Cameron - This self-help book will show you what you really want to do with your life.

[Magyk]

So


Dear doc, plxplx gift strong advice. Im as epic in rl as i am in forums or ingame. My main concern is will i be motivated or whatevered enough to keep doing what i do now, for years.

My kewl story starts with me quiting my first school 4 years ago. It was hard for me, id been there eversince first grade, my great great grandpa founded that school. I left coz few idiots from its "court" thought that they can do what they please, since its a small town in a island of 10k ppl, getting new teachers there aint easy so many of them thought they are untouchables. The day i went to pick up my things, i was told im gona end up in a dump. So since it was before xmas, i would have had hard time to go to another school. That led me to get a job, i worked in a lumber mill, doing the work that only polish slaves do nowdays. 12 hour shifts and hard physical labor. Back then i made a promise never to do anything like that ever again for a few lousy coins.

During that time, i thought, i only want the best for myself. So that led me into doing entree exams for a private school. And oh snap, i got in, with full scholarship. Although i had pretty crappy grades back in my old school, i got straight A's in a private schools that has a MAJOR quality dif with the old school. It was hard tho, since i had to move away from home and all that shit. But i made it.

I rly loved my literature/rhetorics teacher. He was sooo full of life, amazing thoughts and charisma. That made me wanna become as him. I started taking classes about literature from uni, during that time. Another thing i rly loved, was all kinds of human behavior and brain thingys. Wich led me taking sociology and psychology courses. Tho i was rly in between those 2 if i had to make a firm choice, i made a promise (again) to pursue both of them. But i put the main focus on my quest for becoming a literature teacher.

But all that time there was a ghost haunting me, when i was still a mini magyk, i wanted to be a general xD. Before quiting school and all that i wanted to go to army school. Last year i was drafted. I went there knowing that if it works out great, i might give it a shot. But it turned out being rly boring. Tho it had alot to do witht he fact i was in pretty dull patalion. Most of them were just army brats, trying to move on fast enough. My company chief was a douche. My team leader was prolly ghey. Only few officers were awsome guys. So i was like: "frak this, i dont arse myself to work with all of these idiots." That was kind of an end to that.

But, during that time i made alot of friends there, few of them made me read all sorts of business books. Suddenly i was like whooooah, that shit is actually fraking great. It seemed to have all sorts of things i liked. Building up my own business empire, that idea sounded even more hotter than +9 lighting erenion. I could have been everything i ever dreamed about, a teacher, a general, a builder, an authority and god knows what else. So as soon as i got out, i started to follow my evul plan. I knew it wouldnt be easy. Its a long process, I dont wanna create some new product, sell it to google and spend my life wasting those billions. Its about the creation process.

So far, im in early stages to build up my knowlage and exp. I dont plan to start a business and see it fail 2 years later. I wanna be well prepared. Im studying banking in a pretty good university atm. Been doing that for 3 months and i like it. The plan is not getting some degree out of it, i just wanna learn atm. Im gona change the subject next year, prolly to business managment. Currently im taking alot of extra courses about everything, starting from real estate and finishing with accounting. I dont have a detailed plan but i got some basis maped out. Im already starting few mini projects to test my skills and get some real exp. Tho i havent spend a long time on this, i love it.

But the problem is, i love it the same way i loved previous things. Maybe ill find some other thing in few years. Tho my current studies may have some use, maybe i find then i had wasted my life.

Pls doctor psy, halp me. Do u think i got the stamina to love this, till im in my 90's? Do u think it is smth iv made for? Do u, dear psy, picture me in the cover of financial times, in about 15 years?

[TunaFishyMe]

Dear Dr. Psy,

It all started in my internship term with AMD. While doing mindless labwork, I realized, "Hey, I hate engineering...wtf am i doing here?" And then, my soul searching started. After 2 weeks, I decided that I wanted to do something business related. So, I decided that i want to apply for a master program in business management. I wrote the GMAT and scored 660. Not an amazing score, but for the purposes of the program, it was competitive enough.
But then, I started to speak with people at work and they told me work experience >> master program unless the program will help you get where you want to get. So I thought, "what is my final destination? What do I do AFTER the program?" It took another 2 weeks and then I decided Management Consulting. I am assuming you are aware of this field. Management Consulting is very competitive. There are about 7-8 firms and every year, each of them hire about 10-12 undergrads. I decided to apply for these positions. In the beginning of my 4th year in EE, i applied and got rejected by every company. And now I am sitting here confused.
What do I do? I hate engineering. I don't want to do a tech job. I won't apply. However, I did apply to HATCH, which is eng consulting. It is still engineering but it is better than working for a tech company. Or I can apply for the masters of management program and try manaagement consulting again. Who knows if I will be able to get in? What if I don't get into the program? That is a very competitive program as well. What if hatch gives me an offer and I reject it to do my program and I don't get into the program?!!!! So many options...I don't know what to do.
Please Dr. Psy! Sort through this mess I created for myself and show me the light. My future is in your hands!

-A lost fish...

[Magyk]

Marry me tuna.

[Psy]

So


Dear doc, plxplx gift strong advice. Im as epic in rl as i am in forums or ingame. My main concern is will i be motivated or whatevered enough to keep doing what i do now, for years.

My kewl story starts with me quiting my first school 4 years ago. It was hard for me, id been there eversince first grade, my great great grandpa founded that school. I left coz few idiots from its "court" thought that they can do what they please, since its a small town in a island of 10k ppl, getting new teachers there aint easy so many of them thought they are untouchables. The day i went to pick up my things, i was told im gona end up in a dump. So since it was before xmas, i would have had hard time to go to another school. That led me to get a job, i worked in a lumber mill, doing the work that only polish slaves do nowdays. 12 hour shifts and hard physical labor. Back then i made a promise never to do anything like that ever again for a few lousy coins.

During that time, i thought, i only want the best for myself. So that led me into doing entree exams for a private school. And oh snap, i got in, with full scholarship. Although i had pretty crappy grades back in my old school, i got straight A's in a private schools that has a MAJOR quality dif with the old school. It was hard tho, since i had to move away from home and all that shit. But i made it.

I rly loved my literature/rhetorics teacher. He was sooo full of life, amazing thoughts and charisma. That made me wanna become as him. I started taking classes about literature from uni, during that time. Another thing i rly loved, was all kinds of human behavior and brain thingys. Wich led me taking sociology and psychology courses. Tho i was rly in between those 2 if i had to make a firm choice, i made a promise (again) to pursue both of them. But i put the main focus on my quest for becoming a literature teacher.

But all that time there was a ghost haunting me, when i was still a mini magyk, i wanted to be a general xD. Before quiting school and all that i wanted to go to army school. Last year i was drafted. I went there knowing that if it works out great, i might give it a shot. But it turned out being rly boring. Tho it had alot to do witht he fact i was in pretty dull patalion. Most of them were just army brats, trying to move on fast enough. My company chief was a douche. My team leader was prolly ghey. Only few officers were awsome guys. So i was like: "frak this, i dont arse myself to work with all of these idiots." That was kind of an end to that.

But, during that time i made alot of friends there, few of them made me read all sorts of business books. Suddenly i was like whooooah, that shit is actually fraking great. It seemed to have all sorts of things i liked. Building up my own business empire, that idea sounded even more hotter than +9 lighting erenion. I could have been everything i ever dreamed about, a teacher, a general, a builder, an authority and god knows what else. So as soon as i got out, i started to follow my evul plan. I knew it wouldnt be easy. Its a long process, I dont wanna create some new product, sell it to google and spend my life wasting those billions. Its about the creation process.

So far, im in early stages to build up my knowlage and exp. I dont plan to start a business and see it fail 2 years later. I wanna be well prepared. Im studying banking in a pretty good university atm. Been doing that for 3 months and i like it. The plan is not getting some degree out of it, i just wanna learn atm. Im gona change the subject next year, prolly to business managment. Currently im taking alot of extra courses about everything, starting from real estate and finishing with accounting. I dont have a detailed plan but i got some basis maped out. Im already starting few mini projects to test my skills and get some real exp. Tho i havent spend a long time on this, i love it.

But the problem is, i love it the same way i loved previous things. Maybe ill find some other thing in few years. Tho my current studies may have some use, maybe i find then i had wasted my life.

Pls doctor psy, halp me. Do u think i got the stamina to love this, till im in my 90's? Do u think it is smth iv made for? Do u, dear psy, picture me in the cover of financial times, in about 15 years?

From your post I can tell that you're a hard worker. You're trying to be a smart worker, making sure that you don't have to do anything as menial as logging or boring as military work again, but all you are learning is theory. You need hands-on experience, to be self-taught. You should start out a small business and treat it as a hobby. EXPECT that you are going to lose money by owning it. I say this because you're afraid of starting a business and having it fail two years later. When you fear something like that, it will always happen. The business can be as simple as printing 8x10s or selling lemonade. I am going to give Tuna some advice that relates to you, so read below.

I suggest that you read "The Artist's Way" by Julia Cameron simply because of your interest in sociology and psychology. You come off to me as a shadow artist, and the book may change your life. It requires that you do mental exercises over a course of 8-10 weeks. You will learn plenty about yourself from this book.

Dear Dr. Psy,

It all started in my internship term with AMD. While doing mindless labwork, I realized, "Hey, I hate engineering...wtf am i doing here?" And then, my soul searching started. After 2 weeks, I decided that I wanted to do something business related. So, I decided that i want to apply for a master program in business management. I wrote the GMAT and scored 660. Not an amazing score, but for the purposes of the program, it was competitive enough.
But then, I started to speak with people at work and they told me work experience >> master program unless the program will help you get where you want to get. So I thought, "what is my final destination? What do I do AFTER the program?" It took another 2 weeks and then I decided Management Consulting. I am assuming you are aware of this field. Management Consulting is very competitive. There are about 7-8 firms and every year, each of them hire about 10-12 undergrads. I decided to apply for these positions. In the beginning of my 4th year in EE, i applied and got rejected by every company. And now I am sitting here confused.
What do I do? I hate engineering. I don't want to do a tech job. I won't apply. However, I did apply to HATCH, which is eng consulting. It is still engineering but it is better than working for a tech company. Or I can apply for the masters of management program and try manaagement consulting again. Who knows if I will be able to get in? What if I don't get into the program? That is a very competitive program as well. What if hatch gives me an offer and I reject it to do my program and I don't get into the program?!!!! So many options...I don't know what to do.
Please Dr. Psy! Sort through this mess I created for myself and show me the light. My future is in your hands!

-A lost fish...

Tuna,

Yes, experience is always better than theory. Proof? Tell me where you put your training on a resume? It's dead last because it is the least important. You need to show them that you can get work done. Build up a resume

A wise man once told me "If you want a job, find out who you need to know to get it." He referred to that man/woman as the "key holder." I'm not going to help you with that because it is so specific that you need to do it yourself.

Now what you should have done is called up the places you want to work at and spoke with the secretaries or anyone you could have. Here is how the conversation could go:


INT. TUNA BY A PHONE
An eager manchild dials 9 numbers on a phone.
KATHY (V.O.)
Monitor Consulting, how may I direct your call?
TUNA
Hello, my name is Tuna. And to whom may I be speaking to?
KATHY (V.O.)
Kathy.
TUNA
Hello Kathy. I’m seeking employment at your firm.
KATHY (V.O.)
All requests should go through the application department
TUNA
I know, but I want for my resume to be seen by Mr. Fuller himself.
KATHY (V.O.)
I'm transferring you to Mr. Fuller's office. One moment please.
Tuna shits himself.
CINDY (V.O.)
Mark Fuller’s office.
TUNA
Hello, Kathy transferred this call over. Who may I be speaking to.
CINDY (V.O.)
Cindy.
TUNA
Hello Cindy, my name is Tuna. I am seeking employment at your firm.
CINDY (V.O.)
All job applications should go through our application department.
TUNA
I know. But I wanted to make sure that Mr. Fuller is able to consider me.
CINDY (V.O.)
He doesn’t usually hire people.
TUNA
I wanted to try anyways.
Pause
CINDY (V.O.)
He just came back from a meeting. I can transfer him to you if you are ready.
Tuna shits himself again.
TUNA
That would be great. Thank you Cindy.
CINDY (V.O.)
No problem, Tuna.
Tuna is put on hold. He gets up and starts pacing around his room, changing his soiled pants as he waits for Mr. Fuller to answer.
MR. FULLER (V.O.)
This is Mark Fuller.
TUNA
Hello Mark, I am Tuna Fishyme. I am seeking employment at your firm.
MR. FULLER (V.O.)
Okay.
TUNA
I have worked extensively-
MR. FULLER (V.O.)
Tuna, I am going to have to cut this call short. Please send us your application. Have my secretary give you the right address to get it to me.

Now what? Even if you don't get to speak with the person in charge you can mention in your cover letter that you attempted to make contact with them or did. And just imagine this. You're working in the applications department. You go to your computer, you receive hundreds of emails from people asking for a job. You answer your phone, you get the same all day. You check your mail, even more of the same bullshit. You skim through them and they all say the same thing.

"To whom it may concern,

My name is Tuna and I've gotten my education here and I've worked on these projects. I would like to be considered for a job at your firm."

Your coverletter gets trashed before it even reaches the people in charge if you send a message like that. Now, check this one out.

"Dear Mr. Fuller,

We spoke briefly last Friday concerning the internship at your firm. Here are my materials as requested..."

Already, that person who receives it is going to send it to him regardless of whatever else is in the cover letter or on your resume. You have to realize that the more impersonal you are when applying, the less likely you are going to be called in for an interview. You may not be lucky enough to speak with someone like Mark, but you can always say you spoke with their secretary. That's better than nothing. Here's a relevant story:

Months ago I sent out $50 worth in postage for my coverletters and resumes to be sent out for jobs I wanted. Weeks later, I didn't get any reply. Then I started cold calling the places I wanted to work with and essentially started having conversations like the one I posted above. I made every cover letter personal and I started meeting the people. Eventually, I started booking jobs. My personal experience is that you will be able to speak to 1/10 people in charge from a cold call. 100% of the time, you will be able to add something to your coverletter if you called the place first to ask what the best way to go about applying is.

Concerning the mental breakdown at the end of your post, I got stressed just reading it. You need to stop worrying about the "what ifs" and start worrying about the "what can I do." I am assuming your resume isn't so great. Work on small projects to fill your resume up so that the only thing concerning education on there is an italicized bachelor's degree in 10 point font.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

If you still need help, i'll be happy to help you with any questions. Feel free to tell me that I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about or that I didn't answer your questions.

[TunaFishyMe]

Dear Dr. Psy,

That was mind-blowing. By dropping Monitor Group Consulting within the first couple lines of the interview shows me you are the real deal. Dr. Psy is no hack.

You advice is brilliant; however, I have already done something similar. The first 2 weeks of school is known as consulting week. All the big consulting firm come to campus and talk to the students. During these two weeks, I skipped my afternoon/evening classes to attend these info sessions purely for the "mingle" session. I spoke with many of the firm's partners, hiring managers, etc etc.... and for their business cards. I referred them in my cover letter. I thought I did everything perfectly!! However, I do admit I might not have made an outstanding impression but what can you expect from an undergrad who knows nothing speaking to the partner of one of the most awesomeness firms in the world.

I even went to Deloitte's Impact Day and played soccer with the Partner, employees, their family and the big brothers and big sisters of Kingston, Ontario. At the end, I received rejection letters from everyone.

I don't think my resume is incredibly strong but I do have some interesting projects to fill it up. I feel like my mistakes in my first two years are pulling me back. They look for people with a strong academic background. In my first two year, i averaged around 66%. My third year, I started working and made it on dean's list. But my overall average is a measly 73%. I feel like they screen my application due to my transcript. What can I do? Should I lie on my transcript so they give me a chance? Who will know? God?

- A waterless fish

[Psy]

Dear Dr. Psy,

That was mind-blowing. By dropping Monitor Group Consulting within the first couple lines of the interview shows me you are the real deal. Dr. Psy is no hack.

You advice is brilliant; however, I have already done something similar. The first 2 weeks of school is known as consulting week. All the big consulting firm come to campus and talk to the students. During these two weeks, I skipped my afternoon/evening classes to attend these info sessions purely for the "mingle" session. I spoke with many of the firm's partners, hiring managers, etc etc.... and for their business cards. I referred them in my cover letter. I thought I did everything perfectly!! However, I do admit I might not have made an outstanding impression but what can you expect from an undergrad who knows nothing speaking to the partner of one of the most awesomeness firms in the world.

I even went to Deloitte's Impact Day and played soccer with the Partner, employees, their family and the big brothers and big sisters of Kingston, Ontario. At the end, I received rejection letters from everyone.

I don't think my resume is incredibly strong but I do have some interesting projects to fill it up. I feel like my mistakes in my first two years are pulling me back. They look for people with a strong academic background. In my first two year, i averaged around 66%. My third year, I started working and made it on dean's list. But my overall average is a measly 73%. I feel like they screen my application due to my transcript. What can I do? Should I lie on my transcript so they give me a chance? Who will know? God?

- A waterless fish

Tuna,

Never lie on your transcript. Management consulting is a small world, and you don't want to risk getting blacklisted.

I applaud you for what you have did on Impact Day. If you can, go to as many events as you can. There's that old saying that says "It takes at least 7 contacts with a potential client for them to consider you." The exact same applies to you and them. You're relying too much on your school to give your foot in the door, and you said yourself that your grades aren't so great. Consider what you have already done, sending in your resume to apply for their undergrad job and meeting them at the mingle session or impact day, as having contacted them 2/7 times. My strong advice to you is to get experience with the education you have. (Huckabee response) There are many ways to climb a mountain, but each path leads you to the top. Make it so that when you graduate, your bachelor's degree is only a tiny little blurb on your resume. Working as an undergrad isn't the most amazing thing in the world, and you're not going to be able to work as one because the only quality they look for is a quantitative one that you don't have. Fill up your resume with the tiny projects, then replace the tiny projects with small ones, and so on until you're confident enough with it to get a real job with a consulting firm. Always look at the big picture, never short term. What does being an undergrad do for you, really?

I'll put things in perspective for you. If you were looking through hundreds of resumes, would you rather see "was an undergrad, has a bachelors degree, and done a couple projects on his own" or "Has done 20 projects, more available upon request, and a bachelors degree." They want people who can and have worked. If you need to set goals, then aim to have done one professional project every week. Work for free. Cold call businesses and organizations and tell them that you're building up your resume and will work for free on improving their performance (Never say you will "try," or ever use the word "just." You belittile yourself.). By doing this you start a grassroots contact list that you can draw upon in your cover letter and you start relationships with companies that may hire you in the future for work. Honestly, the potential work you can have is limitless once you get comfortable with cold calling.

And in your future cover letters, ask to meet or speak with a person. Find out who you need to speak to and address it to them. Do not ask for a job. By sending a cover letter/resume, they already know you want a job.

Hope this helps,
-Psy

[Rad_Archer]

It's amazing to see people writing as much as I do on these posts...

[Magyk]

Dear doc. psy,

Tons of thanks for ur advice. I shall get that book, u recommended, as soon as i can.

However, i mentioned "little projetcs" in my post. These are small business plans already, made intentionally to get some rl exp at this matter. One thing is to read every book about it, another thing is actually getting ur hands dirty doing it.

Anyhow, this did give me a portion of confidence. Therefor i again wanna thank u dr. psy, and to encourage everyone else, who may be in a need for advice, to step up and give it a try.

[lIIIIIIIIIIl]

this shit is boring and long posts make me feel like a moron.

[TunaFishyMe]

Dear Dr. Psy,

Good News! I took your advice and sent an e-mail to the program director of a $40 million project for Queen's University. Deloitte Consulting is working on the implementation of this project. The Program Director gave me an interview this Friday!! If I get the job, (which I will) I will be working very closely with consultants from deloitte! I'll keep you updated! You saved my career Dr. Psy.

- A happy Fish

[Psy]

Dear Dr. Psy,

Good News! I took your advice and sent an e-mail to the program director of a $40 million project for Queen's University. Deloitte Consulting is working on the implementation of this project. The Program Director gave me an interview this Friday!! If I get the job, (which I will) I will be working very closely with consultants from deloitte! I'll keep you updated! You saved my career Dr. Psy.

- A happy Fish

This is great news Tuna!

I won't stroke your ego though, you should use this time to prepare. Don't cover up any emotion you may be feeling right now waiting for the interview, because that leads to blockage (which reads as nervousness). If you need to cry, cry. If you need to laugh, laugh. If you need to yell, yell.

I want you to remember that you don't belittle your accomplishments, no matter how little they are. I went to a networking event last night and I caught myself saying "I just did three projects last week," thinking I was talking about how often I get work. When you say you "Just" or "Only" did something, think of it as dividing the impact that the words would otherwise have.

Be as honest as you can without talking shit on yourself. You should work on your pitch. Confidence is always a great thing to have, but being prepared is always better.

If this is a typical by-the-book interview, here are a few interview questions that people tend to have trouble with.

How do you see yourself?
(This is truly the most difficult question. You need to be completely honest with yourself and to your questioner, and it may take a while for you to learn this)

Where do you see yourself in five years?
(This is as hard as the first question. Don't say "I don't know, I haven't thought that far ahead," and don't tell him about your plan if you have one. "I want this position because I see it as a place where I can learn and grow" is both honest and effective, IMO.)

Do you have any concerns about the job?
(Save your concerns for after you have the job.)

Tell me what your greatest weakness is.
(Always make your weakness into a positive. "I used to try to get work done on my own, but when it became too much I found out how simple it was to ask for help." is one answer, but be prepared to elaborate.)

Can you use this program?
(Don't lie. Don't say "I could learn it in a few hours." If you have never used the program, say "I'm not familiar with it, but I would be interested in learning the program." Same applies for languages.

Will you take the job if it is offered to you?
(Yes! Unless you don't want it, then you say "It depends on the offer")

What really pisses you off?
(This is where they try to catch you using slang, f-bombs, etc. Don't. This question really says "Do you know how to behave in a professional situation?" Describe what pisses you off in a positive way. "I've worked for people who asked me to stay late, usually they'd let me know in advance, and sometimes they sprung it up last minute and I would have to cancel reservations, but we always got the job done.)

Why do you want this job?
(Again, be honest, but don't say "I am finishing school and I need to pay my bills," or "I need health insurance." The answer to this is unique to you, and if you can't answer it, you're applying for the wrong job)

There's also "manageable" questions they like to ask. They'll ask if you make a mistake, how do you fix it. If it involves a client, you should say that you'll speak with the boss before contacting the client if appropriate. Don't be afraid to say that you'd ask for help.

I transcribed some of these questions from "Can I Wear My Nose Ring to the Interview" by Ellen Gordon Reeves. I picked up his book yesterday and it's funny and has conversational tone. I couldn't help but use it in this topic.

Also dress your best. This isn't an issue for me, but I am well aware of this rule. I tend to dress more liberally for my interviews, but that is the nature of my business. Don't wear a stupid tie, please.

Another thing, RELAX! Be prepared, but RELAX! Don't be tense. When you're tense, a feather can throw you off. If you're comfortable and relaxed, they are too. And don't think for a minute that you're not being interviewed until you get the job.

Also, don't interview them unless they aren't asking questions. You should ask questions about the job if they are relevant, but if you're anything like me then you have to watch yourself when you begin to ask questions (I sometimes like to control a conversation, but I'm a very good listener when I don't know what to say).

(This paragraph is subjective and is highly opinionated, so take what you want from it. If it confuses you, just read over it) Always try to ask at least a couple questions. At the end of the interview they tend to ask, "Any questions?" The awkward silence following that question has taken years off of my life in stress. Don't be smart and say "When can I start?" Again, be honest. A variation of "When will I get an answer?" is one. Don't get cute though, it's best if you leave your interviewers laughing because they like your honest behavior, not because you consciously made them laugh. Don't try to make them laugh.

And since the Friday of your interview is on Black Friday, I will remind you to not walk in having bought stuff. Bring what you need to the interview and nothing else.

Again, BE YOURSELF. Don't be generic and don't be psychotic. Don't be unprofessional and don't be what you think that they think you should be. You seem to be good with leveling with people, so I have no doubt that you'll do great if you are prepared.

[Dro]

What the hell... a chink that hates engineerings? That's something I never thought I'd see. Tunafishyme... more like, tunaFAILme... AMIRIGHT OR WHAT?!

By the way, fuck Deloitte or whatever, as far as consulting, is either PWC or E&Y.

[TunaFishyMe]

Leave it to the spic to be completely uneducated. PWC and E&Y have sold their consulting firms off. E&Y became Cap Gemini and i think IBM bought PWC's consulting firm. Deloitte is one of the top firms. I don't know too much about Cap Gemini but they don't seem very impressive. PWC and E&Y focus more on accounting now.

[TempesT]

Dear Psy


My life is quite confusing and I know not which road to fallow. Allow me to fill you in on how my life is currently, I am a month from turning 19 I own a house and a decent car said car is completely paid off and said house is cruising along smoothly. originally, I was planning on finishing high school, taking a year off, and then getting into a business program. However, my father offered me a very time consuming and veyr well paying job. I have worked over seventy-five plus hours a week for the past two years. Since working, I have grown restless and fatigued. I bring forth the question, would going to school and getting a business degree actually assist in my goals as an entrepreneur? If I was to continue at this rate till I was 30, I could easily start up a few apartment complexes and pretty much live a good life, with very little work. However without a business degree that's about the extent of my potential. If I was to go back to school I would spend a number of years not making money, and after college the world would be unclear to me, and very risky. I would have also subsequently lost a number of my years, same years that could have been used to make a very large sum of profit. I am almost certain no matter what I do, I will have family support, me being the first grandson and first son in a wealthy chinese family, but as I see the world currently the longer I wait the smaller my chance of great success become. What would you advice? The risky path with great possible rewards or the safe path with much less potential.

- Confused man