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[doomdudenoob]

Having a minor cooldown would just benefit the macro users / pedal users aka 98% of rogue's

Not in my opinion, it puts legit players and pedal users on equal footing.

Let me put this simply,

With cooldown:

Legit player- minors as fast as cooldown allows
Pedal/Macro player- minors as cooldown allows

=equal footing

With no minor CD:

legit player- minors as fast as humanely possible without having to affect combo in the process
pedal/macro player- minors faster than humanely possible and does not affect combo and fingers do not get tired

[SkyHunter]

Legit player- minors as fast as cooldown allows

LOL? what?

if the CD is 30 MS, you aren't going to be pressing your key once every 30 MS, that's pretty difficult to time it absolutely perfectly in that window, whereas a macro will hit that window every single time because its automated

[doomdudenoob]

LOL? what?

if the CD is 30 MS, you aren't going to be pressing your key once every 30 MS, that's pretty difficult to time it absolutely perfectly in that window, whereas a macro will hit that window every single time because its automated

Lol what I meant by that was with minor cooldown, as a legit player, you will be restricted to minoring as fast as the cooldown allows and not being able to minor any faster than the cooldown, I didn't mention anything about perfecting the timing.

[Ching]

lol I am sure you're a "true sin"...

You don't always have to control your mana. You have 7k mp, there's 3 sins that spike you, 1 archer that hits you, you run away without dying. Why? Because there's no minor CD and you minored your 7k mp in 3 seconds.

Refering back to 10 minute battles, it may have been a bit exaggerated but it definitely does feel that long. 2 sins with same skill same items with dd 15 helm even with Godly combo's take that long because they outminor the damage they take. You can control pedal as well, it's called a pedal for a reason.

who the fuck does vs with dd lol and noone is gonna have 7k mana its myko so the only way u are gonna have even a little bit more mana than the rest is if you are geared, i just dont see the problem with minor not having cooldown, its not a pk server so it shouldnt be that big of a deal

[doomdudenoob]

who the fuck does vs with dd lol and noone is gonna have 7k mana its myko so the only way u are gonna have even a little bit more mana than the rest is if you are geared, i just dont see the problem with minor not having cooldown, its not a pk server so it shouldnt be that big of a deal

lol turks does vs with dd, all the time hahahaha

Yea, there's always different opinions about minor cd but I was just stating the most balanced approach. This game is mostly about pk! I play this game just for the pk at least

[Killa_]

all depends on caps if its 70- i dont see the need for minor cool down as your mana pool is not that extreme unless you geared. now 80+ i see why it would be implemented though

[SkyHunter]

Lol what I meant by that was with minor cooldown, as a legit player, you will be restricted to minoring as fast as the cooldown allows and not being able to minor any faster than the cooldown, I didn't mention anything about perfecting the timing.

then how the FUCK does that "= equal footing" ????

what???

[doomdudenoob]

then how the FUCK does that "= equal footing" ????

what???

Because players that use pedal would also "be restricted to minoring as fast as the cooldown allows and not being able to minor any faster than the cooldown". I don't get what is so hard to comprend here.

Also I think you should calm down, no need to type like the world is ending.

[doomdudenoob]

all depends on caps if its 70- i dont see the need for minor cool down as your mana pool is not that extreme unless you geared. now 80+ i see why it would be implemented though

Good point, although I still think one of biggest problems with no minor cd is those annoying sins that will run 24/7 and pedal out of dying unless they outnumber you lol

[twostars]

Because players that use pedal would also "be restricted to minoring as fast as the cooldown allows and not being able to minor any faster than the cooldown". I don't get what is so hard to comprend here.

Also I think you should calm down, no need to type like the world is ending.

The point he's trying to make though is that while it does indeed limit them, they can still minor faster than is actually humanly possible... so while the situation is improved, it's still not really close to 'equal footing'.

It all depends on what the CD actually is and the players themselves though, but going by what's mentioned above.. there's no way any player can even come close to that legitimately.

[SkyHunter]

The point he's trying to make though is that while it does indeed limit them, they can still minor faster than is actually humanly possible... so while the situation is improved, it's still not really close to 'equal footing'.

It all depends on what the CD actually is and the players themselves though, but going by what's mentioned above.. there's no way any player can even come close to that legitimately.

+1, you always manage to arrange words eloquently

and if the CD is something a normal person can actually keep up with and accomplish (say, 2seconds? even 1 second is pretty insanely high) that makes the entire class obsolete

[doomdudenoob]

The point he's trying to make though is that while it does indeed limit them, they can still minor faster than is actually humanly possible... so while the situation is improved, it's still not really close to 'equal footing'.

It all depends on what the CD actually is and the players themselves though, but going by what's mentioned above.. there's no way any player can even come close to that legitimately.

Thanks for clearing up, I've never had any experience in database values etc. so I am not that familiar with the exact numbers but I do agree on your point. My whole point is that having a minor CD brings all players much closer to "equal footing" more so than with no minor CD. Now, they can definitely edit and play around with the exact CD in order for pedal users to not have an advantage over legit players. I'm sure this is different with players using macro's but hopefully the anti-cheat catches all of these players...

[SheldonCooper]

Thing is 98% rogues got pedals / macro mouse anyway. So thing is, that if remove the minor cooldown they can spam out the mana even faster on critical moments like when you need 2 seconds to escape in fights / gangs if you burn out all mana. Without mh cooldown you can do that, with the cooldown you can't do that. My dilemma is simply about that kind of things, I know how fast paces the game play on this version is so I wonder if it would make it a big deal not having minor cooldown. So far people seems to want to have it by the responses on FB.

[Knights World]

Great job, good luck.

[Kallop]

Thanks for clearing up, I've never had any experience in database values etc. so I am not that familiar with the exact numbers but I do agree on your point. My whole point is that having a minor CD brings all players much closer to "equal footing" more so than with no minor CD. Now, they can definitely edit and play around with the exact CD in order for pedal users to not have an advantage over legit players. I'm sure this is different with players using macro's but hopefully the anti-cheat catches all of these players...

Actually, not having cooldown is more equal than having a cooldown. It's a difference between asking a player an impossible task or letting pedal users get away easier. Managing your mana and health with minor without cooldown is pretty simple, so you effectively heal just as much with your fingers as with a pedal. You can also empty your mana in less than 2 seconds with your hands, so it's not exactly an insane benefit for pedalers either. The only benefit left for using a pedal without cooldown is lowering the skill cap, by making it easier to control your character without having to use your hands to minor and MP pot.

Sheldon said that the reason for having cooldown is to nerf sins' ability to full heal in 2 seconds by draining all their mana to 0. I usually have a second skill bar with just 4 minor heals and a soul pot for this sole purpose. It makes sense, but it also fucks people over if they want to play legit and they enjoy 1v1. But that being said, I can't imagine anybody playing KO without having an option for a macro of some sort. As long as macro is available and not bannable for every single player, I see no reason not to have a cooldown on minor. Although, warriors are still way better than rogues, so Idk if there's any point in nerfing rogues further.